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Bill Murphy 07-24-2013 09:35 AM

OK, 177,741 has the screw.

Chuck Bishop 07-24-2013 01:01 PM

Steve,

The records don't show when Parker changed the design of the firing pin on the SBT. The Parker Story shows 185608 with the screw on the right side of the frame to access the pin and that was 1919.

It would be good for the Parker Pages First & Last Found section. Latest S/N found for a SBT with screw access to firing pin.

Dave Suponski 07-24-2013 05:59 PM

I used to own 180115 SC SBT. A 32" straight grip gun and it had the screw.

Steve Cambria 07-25-2013 04:00 PM

Thanks, Chuck. Just what I was thinking. Further testament that great minds do occasionally think alike...LOL. I had always believed that access screw was there when production started in 1917. So much to learn and hopefully, lots more time
to do so. Thanks-----S

Steve McCarty 01-25-2014 08:36 PM

Your gun is an SC and as someone has posted it is an early one. I have a similar gun that is also a 177 number, so mine is your gun's sister. (Aren't guns female?) Mine is set up just like yours, but had a silvers pad which I replaced with a new one. I've posted pics of mine here before. I'll try again. http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...hotguns139.jpghttp://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...hotguns001.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...hotguns152.jpg

Steve McCarty 01-25-2014 08:43 PM

My SC has the firing pin access screw on the upper right side of the receiver when you are looking down the barrel. I'm not looking at the gun, but I think the S# is 177128. I'll have to check. No pistol grip and a very nice piece of wood. I shoot it all of the time. It is about a 70/30 gun. The original owner was a famous businessman of the era and lived in San Fransisco. He probably shot at the Bohemian Club.http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...hotguns149.jpg

Its got a pretty serious chip missing at the wrist along the lower tang.

Steve McCarty 01-25-2014 09:16 PM

Steve: I took the pictures of my gun about five years ago, and they aren't very good. I'll take some more so that you can match my gun with yours. I suspect that they were made by the same smith, and the two guns are closely related.

Have you shot your gun? I've shot thousands of rounds thu mine, and she is no worse for wear. When I bought the gun it had a worn spring in the opening lever and a very badly worn butt pad. All fixed now. It is great to have such and wonderful old Parker to shoot.

Steve McCarty 01-28-2014 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve McCarty (Post 128236)
Steve: I took the pictures of my gun about five years ago, and they aren't very good. I'll take some more so that you can match my gun with yours. I suspect that they were made by the same smith, and the two guns are closely related.

Have you shot your gun? I've shot thousands of rounds thu mine, and she is no worse for wear. When I bought the gun it had a worn spring in the opening lever and a very badly worn butt pad. All fixed now. It is great to have such and wonderful old Parker to shoot.

I just checked the S# on my SC. It is 177853.

John Thomson 02-05-2014 12:51 PM

I know this is an old thread but I just read it. It is my understanding that most of these guns were CH grade. Mine is a CH and the barrel length is 34". Mine was produced in 1918 from the serial number and has been restored.

Chuck Bishop 02-05-2014 03:04 PM

John, just to be technically correct, you have an SC grade (grade 4) single barrel trap gun. The CH grade (grade 4) is the terminology for a grade C hammerless gun without ejectors. With ejectors it would be a CHE hammerless gun. The SC grade with a 32" barrel was the most common configuration.

John Thomson 02-05-2014 04:12 PM

Thanks for the information. My other two Parkers are side by sides and I only understood that the single was a C grade where the two other guns are stamped DH and VH. Neither of those guns have ejectors as one is from 1907 and one from 1918 per your website serial number list.

Tom Wyraz 02-05-2014 09:09 PM

178,364 does not have the screw

tjw

Chuck Bishop 02-05-2014 09:29 PM

Tom, does your floor plate have the pigeon?

Randy Davis 02-08-2014 01:12 PM

Parker SC & SB Grades
 
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Two Parkers from my single barrel trap collection. SC serial # 217551 lettered 1926 and SB serial # 190084 lettered 1924...

Tom Wyraz 02-13-2014 09:16 PM

No, that gun does not have the pigeon.

tjw

John Gardner 03-29-2014 08:51 PM

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An SBT is on my wish list and almost picked up one at the Vegas Show but a Lifter caught my eye, and wallet, instead as hammers are my first passion. Another is old magazines. Here is an ad for the SBT from 1917. Cheers JG

charlie cleveland 03-29-2014 10:13 PM

that sure is a neat magazine cover.. charlie

bob risser 04-09-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wyraz (Post 129615)
178,364 does not have the screw

tjw

#178667 has the screw,no pigon and T on barrel flat.

Bill Murphy 04-13-2014 12:50 PM

The screw apparently was discontinued at 179,000 or before. We don't know when the scroll stopped and the pigeon appeared. The pigeon is a nice addition, but the scroll guns are more interesting. Has anyone seen a Parker single with the finger grooves like in the ad? I have not seen a gun with that feature in 55 years of fooling with Parkers.

Dean Romig 04-13-2014 08:38 PM

The pigeons I have seen on the SBT's appear to be characteristic of much of Frederick Anschutz's work. There is a possibility that he may have been instrumental in the change to the pigeon as he was chief engraver at the time of the change.

Steve McCarty 04-13-2014 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 136799)
The screw apparently was discontinued at 179,000 or before. We don't know when the scroll stopped and the pigeon appeared. The pigeon is a nice addition, but the scroll guns are more interesting. Has anyone seen a Parker single with the finger grooves like in the ad? I have not seen a gun with that feature in 55 years of fooling with Parkers.

The birds engraved on my SC SBT appear to be "schmoes" to me. Remember schmoes? Al Cap. What do the pigeons look like?

Steve McCarty 04-28-2014 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey Clark (Post 97744)
Thanks for the response everyone, another thing that I have found that may be different is that this is a modified choke instead of a full choke.

My SBT SC ss# 177853 looks similar to the one in question. Same style engraving. My gun has very little case color though.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...hotguns139.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...hotguns147.jpg

Steve McCarty 04-28-2014 06:42 PM

Barrel flats on my gun. I have no idea what any of them mean.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...hotguns001.jpg

Steve McCarty 04-28-2014 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve McCarty (Post 136858)
The birds engraved on my SC SBT appear to be "schmoes" to me. Remember schmoes? Al Cap. What do the pigeons look like?

"later entry" No SBT has no birds engraved anywhere. I was thinking of my GH.

Bill Murphy 04-28-2014 07:30 PM

Yup, Steve's SC has no birds to critique. The "T" on the barrel flats indicate the the barrel is Titanic Steel. The "JG" is the barrel maker, Jim Geary. The "3 6" is the barrel weight. The "12" is the gauge. The "A" and the "S" I don't know.

Steve McCarty 04-29-2014 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 137870)
Yup, Steve's SC has no birds to critique. The "T" on the barrel flats indicate the the barrel is Titanic Steel. The "JG" is the barrel maker, Jim Geary. The "3 6" is the barrel weight. The "12" is the gauge. The "A" and the "S" I don't know.

Thanks for the info. I'm going to have to see if I can get a letter. If so, I'll frame it. I shoot my SBT often. It is my go to trap gun. It shoots high as a cat's back. I let the bird "float".

Steve McCarty 08-19-2014 01:41 PM

Am shooting my SC weekly now. It must have a pretty tight choke, because when I hit one solidly it just disappears. No pieces anywhere. The gun mounts perfectly into the hollow of my shoulder and not on my upper arm. I have pretty short arms and some shotguns do that. I am training myself to shoot as quickly as I can...it pays off in handicaps.

Question for you trap experts out there: How high above the "house" do you point your gun when you call for the bird? On station 5 I point my gun about a foot above the right hand corner of the house. The bird I miss most often is what should be the easiest shot. The one going straight away. Everything looks perfect, I shoot and miss! When that happens I cannot believe it! It is maddening.

Bill Murphy 08-19-2014 06:22 PM

The "one foot above the house" hold point causes a faster than neccesary gun movement to the target. The "high and outside" hold point at stations one and five allows you to address the target with a slower gun. If you are a two eyed shooter, hold high and see the bird coming.


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