B&P will deliver low pressure 12ga shells for about $83.00 a case. The delivery charge for RST isn't that great. I have seen them in some stores and a local gunsmith carries them. If you go to any of the bigger SXS shoots they are usually there.

I have successfully increased my "stuff" with a 75th anniversary DU bronze and a Parker print.

The bronze in on an antique Library table in the corner of the basement stuck between a pedastal mount of two Elk and the TV, and behind an antique ice box but it's in a safe place for now. She asked "what are you going to do with that?" referring to the Parker print and I jokenly replied that it would look good in the living room which I knew wouldn't fly. I said it was going to the cabin when she replied it was to nice for that and it would just get ruined there:confused: "It would look good in the gun room if it wern't so cluttered" was her reply. No matter where it ends up it's been added to my "stuff" and I like it.

ive got to hurry and get out and add something to my stash.. maybe tommorrow going to a gun show... but where will i put that new treasure.... charlie

Steve, where do you live and what double gun events do you attend? RST is all over the place at double gun events if you are interested in saving on shipping.

bill rst needs to come farther south and they may ....but ive never seen them in my area around tupelo mississippi.... charlie

Charlie you have UPS there in the land of Elvis don't you? The shells are wonderfull and the UPS charges arn't that much or you can stock up at the Southern just up the road in north Carolina:)

you must be talking about the little brown trucks that always seem to be in a hurry...if these are the dilivery trucks old cuz elvis does have u p s in town..i was just standing in the spot here other day where elvis s momma talked him out of getting that rifle and getting that old guitar...i think he woulda been happieir with the little rifle..who knows... i hope someday to be able to come to one of the side by side shoots..know one would enjoy it more than me.... charlie

If you are addressing me, I live in Central Oregon miles from no where. I'll order the RST shells thru the mail. I emailed them and they responded right away.

What are you waiting for? Time waits for nobody. Time is like a big river - you can't stop it. You can watch it go by... or you can jump on it and go for a ride.

It seems to me that most of the exciting "shoots" happen on the east coast. Here, way out west, where you drive for an hour to buy a jar of mustard, they are more infrequent.

I'm off to an estate sale in the morning to try and get this fantastic Black Forest style deer antler picture frame. Looks like a heck of a piece in the photo, we'll see what kind of price they've got on it. Of course, if it's as cool as it looks then I will keep it. Just what I need, another piece of STUFF to hang on the wall.....

Destry

P.S. At a sale last week I bought four milk crates full, one whole crate was to keep. Yes I know, I have a problem.

"Hello, My name is Destry, and I have a problem" Is there a Stuff Anonymous? I suspect many of us could be charter members. You don't know "stuff" until you become a fly tyer. Our stuff includes road kill

Reloading and fly tying are two bad habits I've managed to NOT pick up over the years. I have plenty already, those are two that seem to accumulate even more "stuff" than I can handle.

DLH

The accumulation of "stuff" is an evolutionary process as we go from one thing to the next. The only sustainable thing is the accumulation of the new stuff.

Reloading for both shotguns and centerfire rifles definately adds to the stuff. I just bought 10,000 Win 209 primers because they were a good deal.

Thank God I never tried fly tying.

My significant other has a problem with stuff. She has no stuff. After she has it for a little while it goes into a bag and she brings it to the poverty store for them to sell. She has trouble understanding why I have 12 reloading machines, devices and accessories for same. Why I need more than 5000 hulls is more of a mystery to her.

The worst was some months ago when she was at my place and my daughter showed up. During the conversations the daughter mentioned she was going to buy me a bottle of Single Malt. "Oh, no. Please don't buy him another bottle! Look at all he has stored in the liquor locker." With that she opened the cabinet door and exposed the SMS to light.

She went on to complain about all the stuff I had around the place, including the two bird dogs in the kennels. The 900 books were not mentioned because she has 200 books at her place and about 100 pairs of shoes.

She's still wondering why she doesn't get invited out here anymore.

Sounds like my ex-brother in law's reference to "his future ex wife". Happy aquiring!!!! Lee.:rotf:

My wife isn't a "stuff" person either, more of a minimalist. I did point out that she has three pairs of Jesus shoes (sandals) to my one pair of which I have had for over 10 years. She'll buy something use it once or twice then it goes to the garage sale.

Well I didn't get the picture frame, it was as fantastic as it looked in the picture but at $950 I figured it priced about double of high high retail. I did get a few other interesting pieces though, so it wasn't a total loss. The best being a fantastically strange dead game print that's Christmas related in a killer black forest style frame. Never seen or heard of anything like it, the birds are arranged in the shape of a Christmas Tree! I'm tempted to keep this one, but seeing as how I never decorate for Christmas I should really move it down the road. I'm going to sit it on the table for a few days and study the situation.


Destry

As i have stated before -I am a print aholic

Just got the email from our framer this morning that the 4 Denton trout are ready to go,

I already have three more Osthaus prints to drop off when I pick the trout up.

Some will go into the rod shop when the walls get finiished off. A couple may need go on a ceiling

:)

Speaking of prints - a few years ago previously mentioned daughter was out here. She was trying to decide which of the two oriental rugs I had just purchased for $5500 she wanted given to her in my will. While strolling around the house she casually mentioned "Dad, you can't just have dog pictures in your house" commenting about dog pictures in every room including the guest bath. My response was "whose Fxxxing house is it?" Always quick on the uptake she replied, "Oh, yeah. I guess you can."

Two of the Osthaus prints in my living room were in a scene in a Seinfeld TV episode some years ago. Now, that's when you know you have a lot of stuff.

I just wish someone would come buy the VW Deer Buggy in my shed.

Hah! Apparently you aren't the only one who had a VW hunting car. One of my squirrel hunting mentors had one he used for years. Had a skid plate on the bottom, an extension on the exhaust, the whole deal. His reasoning for using it was that it was so light he could slap a come along on it and pull it out of any mudhole all by his lonesome as long as there was a handy tree to hook it to. That thing would go anywhere, it was amazing.

DLH

Back around '68 a friend had a VW Bug that he put the complete engine and transaxle assembly from a VW Bus into. The bus had more horsepower and reduction gears out by the wheels. That little machine would just about go anywhere without getting stuck.

The Germans used VDubs as jeeps in WWII. Ernie Pyle go one and drove it all through the North African desert. He said it'd make a great little car for Americans. Of course they eventually did.

No Germans got a VW during the War. Hitler did have a hand in the design. He and Porche developed the little "people's car". I owned several and liked them. The VDub was easy to love. While driving a new one I was nearly killed when hit head on by a drunk driving a Ford Fairlane 500.

With the fuel tank up front a lot of people were killed in VW bugs.
It was in Reading, Ma and I think it was '67 or '68... a classmate of mine home from the horrors of Viet Nam left his homecoming party in his mother's full size Pontiac and at something close to 100 mph crossed lanes and took out an entire family from Wakefield travelling in their VW bug. It was horrific and left a very deep scar on a lot of people... myself included. Richie was killed too. I think he would have preferred it that way rather than surviving only to know what he had done. Richie was a good kid. He and I worked together at the Shell station during high-school and we had good times together.

Memories like this make me think of the movie "Stand By Me" and the tune and words flood back...

I swear I read somewhere in this thread where somebody mentioned they collected old west photos. I've skimmed the responses and can't find it but there are so many that's not surprising. I just picked up a dandy one, would rather make it available to somebody on the forum rather than put it on eBay.

Destry

Destry: That be me. I'm heavy into pictures of people who were involved in the Lincoln County War, this includes photos of Billy the Kid, the Regulators, the House Ring and the Chisum family. I only deal in originals.

While I know this will sound like I'm blowing my own horn "toot, toot", I have the largest collection of authentic photos (tintypes) of Billy the Kid and his bunch. I discovered, in a corner of a little antique store, Sallie Lucy Chisum's personal collection of tintypes related to her family, herself and Billy the Kid and his buddies as well as a few of the men who were on the winning side in the LCW. Billy's side lost. The collection is large and very complete, many unknown photos of the people who knew Sallie Chisum. I've researched the collection for years now and have met many of the Chisum relatives, some recall when the collection that I found was sold. The identities of the people depicted had been stored in an attic for a few generations and forgotten.

The kid, aka Billy Bonney, aka William Henry McCarty was a nice looking young man and disarmingly youthful looking. The pictures that I have of him are astoundly clear and close up. If anyone wants to see one of these just ask and I'll respond accordingly.

I do not have everyone who was involved in the LCW. I'm missing Pat Garrett, L.G. Murphy, John Reilly, Emil Fritz, J.W. Bell and Fred Waite. I am missing Pitzer Miller Chisum. I have photos of everyone else. None are known and I own most of the originals. Here is a picture of Sallie Lucy Chisum Robert. She knew Billy the Kid.http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...lection073.jpg

A very close family friend who is in her mid-nineties and whose maiden name is Bonney reluctantly claims to have been told when she was younger to be ashamed of her relationship with William Bonney.

A true collector never worries about where he is going to put it.

Steve, what was the price of the William Bonney tintype that sold recently at auction? As I recall, it was very expensive.

No one knows why Billy called himself "Bonney" and many folks, including myself would like to know why he did so. Was your family friend from Missouri or Indiana? Billy was probably born in Indiana, Missouri or Kentucky. I doubt he was ever in New York as many folks believe.

Yup; the price was $2 million and with the fees Mr. Koch paid 2.3 million. As for my picture of the kid, which is a tintype....cost me $6.50. Actually I have two, the second cost me four bucks.

When I purchased these tintypes the seller didn't know who they were of, and I wasn't sure. It took me several years of research and the finding of Sallie Chisum's family who live not far from me in Oregon to nail down the connection. Their family had moved to Oregon, Troutdale, when Walter Pitzer Chisum died in 1919. Walter was Sallie Chisum's brother and is buried near her in Roswell, New Mexico. Walter's daughter, Ara was close to Sallie, who was Ara's aunt. Eventually Sallie gave her photo collection to Ara because she wanted to keep the images in her family. Her papers she gave to Lily Casey Klasner which became Eve Ball's book, My Girlhood Among the Outlaws. Ara showed some of the photos her two boys, Fred and Walter, but she kept the "bad men" secret, being embarrassed about her family's relationship to Billy the Kid.

I found my tintypes in a little antique store in Oregon. They were strewn willy nilly throughout the little store. Luckily I had read many books on the Kid and had traveled to Lincoln NM to study him and the images of his pals. Strangely I ran across these tintypes.

My fear is that after I die they will be lost again, and that would be a shame. I own original tintypes of almost all of the Regulators, two of the Kid and all of Sallie Chisum's family vise her uncle Pitzer Miller Chisum. I have pictures of John S. Chisum and his cousins the Towry's. I also have original and never before seen images of the Kid (2 of them), John Middleton, Frank McNab, Charlie Bowdre, Tom O. Folliard, Richard Brewer, Doc Scurlock, Alex McSween, Frank and George Coe and their wives, Godfrey Gauss, Alex McSween, Sheriff Brady, Bob Olinger, J.J. Dolan (copy of unknown original), Ira Leonard (the kid's attorney) Lily Casey Klasner, Matilda Davis (Brewer's girlfriend) and many, many more.

Some of my pictures are the only ones of that person extand including John Middleton, Frank McNab, Dirty Dave Rudabaugh, Billy Wilson and Yginio Salazar.

Sally Chisum collected all of these and saved them until before her death when she gave them to her brother's daughter who stored them in her attic. When she died in 1974, the photos were forgotten and sold in a yard sale. they ended up in a local antique shop. I came along and recognized them.

Pretty amazing, especially when one realizes that I dated Sallie Chisum's great granddaughter 40 years ago and that Billy McCarty may be a relative of mine, which has been a family legend all of my life.

Here is Tom O. Folliard, Billy's best friend who was killed by Sheriff Pat Garrett.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...lection054.jpg

My VW Deer Buggy
 

Attached photos of my deer buggy that is looking for a new home. It is in MN and can be driven to its new home or hauled away behind a pickup using the removable yoke frame. Includes a 2,500 lb. winch to get you out of tough spots. JF

So, Steve, what is the difference between your tintype and the 2.3 million dollar tintype? Inquiring minds......

My tintype of the kid was taken at about the same time as the well known one. The Regulators visited the South Spring Ranch soon after the killings of Morton and Baker. I say this because I also have several pictures of Sallie that look similar. The photographer's name was George W. Morgan and the photo of Billy is so inscribed. I'll post it.

I also have a like picture of Richard Brewer who was killed on 4 April by Buckshot Roberts in the Blazer's Mill fight, which dates the picture.

I have two pictures of the Kid taken three years apart. In the first picture his visage is extremely clear and it is easy to match to the "Upham" photo that we all know. The later picture shows the kid in jail.

Here is my photo of Billy Bonney, aka Billy the Kid taken phttp://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...illyBonney.jpgrobably in March of 1878 at the South Spring Ranch by George W. Morgan.

I'll try to post a copy of my picture and the Upham one. Not sure I can do it tho. Okay, here is a detail of the Upham photo of Billy the Kid. My image and this one are reversed from the tintype, so Billy shows as he did in life. I don't think I need to pick out areas of similarity in the two pictures. Mine is much clearer, obviously. They are the same man.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Kiddetail.jpg

Even the curles on his forehead match! In my picture he has closed his lips over his buck teeth. You can guess his age as well as I can. He does look innocent doesn't he. By this time in his life he has already killed one man and participated in the death of three others. Childish looking? Yep, Deadly? Yep.

Have you considered donateing your collection to a museum? Might be a nice tax write off and it would at the least preserve a piece of American history.

The wife asked about the two boxes in the front entrance hall as they have been there a week. I told her they were shotgun shells. Her reply was to ask about the other four cases in the garage and I replied they were also shotgun shells. She just shook her head and asked that I put my stuff away. I haven't told her about the new gun:whistle:

I have approached the Autry in southern Cal, the Cody in Wy, and the Smithsonian in DC offering to donate the collection which includes about 70 tintypes. No takers. They just don't believe the authenticity of the collection and when they call the "experts" their skepticism is given credence.

The experts don't like my provenance. I traced the collection back to Sallie Chisum's brother's family and they recall at least some of the photographs. Most were kept secret by Ara V. Chisum, Sallie's niece.

There is much more to this story. Book is in the works. I've got to go, but I'll have to post some more matches with my collection and known pictures of the same people.

The book should be interesting.