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Do not use Hevi Shot instead of another type of non-toxic listed in the loading data. The hardness of the shot affects pressure. In general the harder the shot the higher the peak pressure. Hevi Shot is harder than most other non-toxic shot types.
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Pete, (and others) the published loads with 44 or 45 grains of Herco don't sound right because they are ridiculous loads, not because of a misprint or a change in the character of the powder over the years. The velocity of those loads is 1350 and up. No one needs such a load, either in a fluid steel gun or a Damascus gun. Pete, thanks for publishing the spreadsheet, but maybe we shouldn't include every published load, certainly not the ones mentioned.
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Peter - those of us who came late to the short 10 really appreciate all of your effort
looking at these loads- i find it odd they do not specify a brand for the hull or primer - both components that have an affect on pressure. |
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i have been roll crimping all my 2 5/8 - and so far have not tried a low pressure load from Peter's sheet that I could not use.
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Need a little help .Not very familiar with 10Ga loadings , but being that I just bought an Ithaca Super 10ga I need to start . What Remington hulls is being referred to in the spread sheet with these designations , Rem whtltr , Rem OS, Rem blkltr . Can all the Remington hulls with a plastic base wad be used interchangeably ?
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Thanks for help the help . I bought some new Remington hulls from Precision , so they should work just fine . I have 700x on hand and will load some 1 1/8 loads and try her out . I also have a fair amount of 7625 on but am saving that for my 16ga LP hunting Loads .
I plan on putting some Bismuth loads together for the short 10 , but don't really need or want low pressure , so I will develope something with another powder and send them to Tom Armburst for testing . Thanks again for the Explanation . Mark |
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It has been awhile since I have seen any new data but thanks to Mark Garrett and Craig Larter we have three new loadings, two of them for Bismuth, for the Short Ten. Remember many of these loads use obsolete components and data that is several decades old. I suggest you verify the data when possible and as always remember you proceed at your own risk.
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10 ga. 2 7/8" laoding data
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Where can I find and download your data on 10ga. reloading? Thank You Frederick Quote:
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There is a PDF attached to Peter's post That is the load data |
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Make that, attached to my most recent post. I deleted the previous versions of the spreadsheet and uploaded the most recent addition with the new loadings in my post here of 7/18/15 at 1:24PM. |
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Thank You for the response. I guess I am brain dead. I don't know how to get to the file and then see it to download it. Would you assist a grayed haired old man in this regard? Thank You Frederick |
Are you on a windows PC?
Assuming you have a PDF reader (if not ADOBE READER is a free download at adobe.com ) Just click on the attachment and it will offer you a choice to read or save Pick the save option and a copy will be stored on your computer in the downloads folder |
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Wow. This is the first time I saw the file on the post. Wonder why it wasn't showing up before? Yes I have downloaded it. Super. Thanks for the help. I will need to enlarge it somehow. Thanks Again Primerbuster Here. |
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Just got some Bismuth for short 10 waterfowl loads, shot is more like fine gravel than typical round shot. Several sizes and shapes, mostly tear drop shapes.
Anyone have this experience with Bismuth? |
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Yes Bismuth shot doesn't look very symmetrical, but boy does it shoot well and throws a dense pattern. It penetrates much better than steel as it is more dense! Hope this helps! Primerbuster |
FWIW , a couple months ago I found out that Ponsness Warren WILL make a new LS-1000 10 gauge 3 1/2" machine into a 2 7/8" machine for the measly extra cost of $30 !
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i would like to SAY A BIG THANK YOU for the loads i have been trying everywhere to find some i have tried other forums with no luck . i would like to thank the administrator who sorted out my login in problems for me once again THANK YOU ALL for the help i received as in the UK we have hardly any data at all and have to rely on you chaps over in the US for help cheers
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You are of course welcome
A grand thanks would be some photos of your days on the foreshore and the grey lags or pinkfeet geese taken with your new found knowledge. Good shooting to you |
1 1/8 oz 7 1/2. Remington SP 10 wad half inch 16 g fiber wad inside the SP 10. Either 19 Red Dot or 22 Green Dot is my standard Clay Target short 10 load. Unique being slower powder perhaps a grain or two more. Split the fiber wad to make the stack come out right for fold crimping.
Hunting, depending on the bird, I think I will go 1 1/4 oz and a very small increase in the Green Dot charge. Am ordering a bag of # 7 shot and working up loads to to use on Crows. 7 and 1 1/4 exceeds limits at most Clay target clubs, and lot more than needed for targets. William |
Got it, are most of the lighter loads for the 2 7/8 hull length?
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I saw that after I enlarged the print on the copier, but thank you. I cranked out my first bp load for the short 10 last nite. One of Sherman Bell's. My gun isn't a Parker but an Ithaca Flues model with Damascus barrels and the 6000 range of pressure is sure what I was looking for. RW
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No doubt about it # 6 will kill at distance. When I hunted Ducks with Lead # 6 was all I used. Problem with the 6's for me is shooting light shot loads in SxS's I don't think I get enough pellets. Look at it this way, all from internet charts. nothing actually counted For my 12 g loads 1 oz load # 7 296 pellets 1 oz load # 6 222 pellets For my 10 G loads 1 1/8 oz # 7 331 pellets 1 1/8 oz # 6 308 pellets Of course I could bump the 12's to 1 1/8 and 10's to 1 1/4. I have some RST 1 1/4 # 6 and they recoil too much in my 9 1/4 lb Ithaca Super 10. Not so bad in my 10 lb Parker Hammer 10. Never liked Factory 1 1/8 oz in 12 G Parkers either. Good thing about loading is you can get it exactly like you want it. William |
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Here are patterns through a Remington 10ga 1894 and 12ga 1900, these are both 1 1/8 ounce loads at 40 yards. The 12ga has a mere .024 of choke. Scott has a picture somewhere of a 7/8 ounce pattern of #6 on the life size vitals of a crow at 40 yards. If centered the bird would not survived. PS. Your pellet counts are off, at least for #6. Most charts cite 225 per ounce. My hand count for pattern test below was 253 for 1 1/8 ounce. |
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Problem with the 6's for me is shooting light shot loads in SxS's I don't think I get enough pellets. I have shot 100's of crows over the years with 7/8th oz of 6's out on my 20 ga. For years that's all i shot when crow hunting. so i am sure i have shot 2000 crow with that load alone. There are plenty of pellets in 1 oz of 6's out of the 10 or 12 ga. i have killed close to 500 this year alone with above loads, for one shot size stay with 6's ! check out some of Pete and my parker hunting pics under my profile It will show some of our crow hunting trips:) what ever you shoot at crows , have fun and good luck!!:) |
boy i gota lot of crow hunting to catch up with you boys....both of them guns are really throwing a close pattern looks to be both guns shooting 90 to 95 percent at 40 yards...charlie
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You have some very good patterns for sure. And there is no substitute for projectile weight. Have been shooting cast bullet rifles for years. Ballistic charts rank velocity high. On game or steel silhouette targets weight is what does the job.
I have a supply or RST 10 G 1 1-4 oz # 6. My hand loads so far for the short ten are target, 1 1-8 # 7 1-2 Looking for something between the two, with lower recoil. Both of my 10s are choked tight enough to handle # 6 either 1 1-8 or 1 1-4 12 G 1 oz another story, my guns 7 is as large as I plan to go, based on # 7 patterns so far. Am going to use the 1oz 7 for long clays mostly . Density is a issue. Real question for me is do I buy a bag of 6 just for the short 10 hunting loads Am going to pattern some # 7 1 1-8 and see how they look. Willam |
12 G 1 oz another story, my guns 7 is as large as I plan to go, based on # 7 patterns so far. Am going to use the 1oz 7 for long clays mostly . Density is a issue.
You might want to check, but most clay coarse have a no bigger than 7 1/2 shot rule and most "shoots" have that rule too. i would just buy the 6's and you be happy you did for crow hunting and 7 1/2 's for long ranges clays .:) scott Willam[/QUOTE] |
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The 7's I am sure will pattern fine, but regardless of how they pattern they do not measure up to the performance of #6 on crows. Constant use of 7 will result in more visibly hit birds flying off, birds coming down screaming like they were stung by 100 bees, more walking wounded that have to be run down and dispatched. All these happens with #6 but to a much lesser extent than with #7, #7.5 and #8. |
Not doubting your experience, just going to see for myself. Have factory 1 1-4 oz # 6 to compare.
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Spreadsheet in Excel?
Does anyone have this list in the original Excel format?
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Hi guys I cannot find any attachments is this because I am using an iPad?
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Oops got it, dooh
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After 2or3 reloadings the Federal and Cheddit hulls I have been using start to split in the crimp. So, I tried trimming the hulls to 2 3/8 inches, use the same shot and powder load as with the 2 7/8 inch and trim the wad 1/4 inch with sizzors and don't use the 1/2 inch filler wad in the shot cup. Raise the short adapter on the MEC 600 jr up another 1/2 inch and it crimps perfect. Tried them on the crony and patterning board and see no difference. Loaded it is a neet looking 2 inch shell and you get 2 or 3 more loadings out of the hull and don't have to buy or use filler wads. Carvel
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