I agree with Paul on the universal charge bars & like them so much I sold all my bars/bushings. If you write down the settings you can easily return to a different load if you change.
Like Paul I have become enamored with the CB-4100 wad for 7/8 oz loads with Clays powder. Great load, soft shooting and burns really clean. Mike |
Ditto what Paul and others have said about the adjustable charge bar. I've had it for so long I couldn't even guess what year I started using it. Remember that not only will shot weigh differently depending on the amount of antimony but powder of the same manufacturer will vary from lot to lot. Also remember to mix powder when opening a new bottle/jug. This is especially important if you use Promo.
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Why with Promo ? Some guys at my club use it and I'll make them aware of what you said. Paul
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Paul, it seems like the different components in Promo settle out. You can weigh a new lot without mixing, start using it, and when you get low in the jug, the weight changes. It's happened to me and others have commented on it on Trapshooters.com in the past. Also Promo seems to vary from lot to lot quite a bit more so than Clays or Clay dot.
Also, I've switched from Claybuster wads to Downrange wads. Years ago I had so much plastic in my chokes that you could peal the plastic with a knife blade after only a couple of hundred shots. They probably had a bad batch of plastic but it was enough to make me sour on Claybusters. Have you ever had your wad seating ram snap when the wad goes in? It's due to the dry plastic Claybuster uses. OEM wads don't do it and neither do Downrange wads. Only drawback with Downrange is that they don't have the distribution network that Claybusters have so you may have to have them shipped to you if a distributer isn't close by. |
Gee, I have about 6 Parkers and 5 Remingtons and none of them came with choke tubes :banghead: . Should I be looking for guns with them :). Na, I'll just keep what I got because I never seem to get any build up with fixed chokes. Never had a problem with my wad guide snaping. Had some Downrange wads but the pressure would have been too high with the load I was useing, so I just kept to my Claybusters. :bigbye: Paul
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What Primers are you guys using or would recomend? Any particular types to stay away from?
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Brian,
Right now I'm using Win 209. Paul, Chuck, I bought 10k Win. 12ga.SL wads[they are pink]. They work well for 1oz. but really shine for 7/8oz. as all the shot is enclosed in the shotcup and give truly amazing patterns. A good buddy of mine worked for a huge defense contractor here in MD and he had access to all kinds of testing equipment. 16.7gr. of clays, WWSL wad, WW209primer in either a AA, Rem, or Fiocchi hull at 1200fps gave 6700psi. When I run out I'll try the CB wads. On another note I've read with interest the various spreader wads that people use to open up their patterns. About 20yrs. or so ago I wrote Tom Roster a letter requesting some suggestions for opening up the patterns in some of my old tightly choked Parkers. He wrote back that the simplest method for opening up a pattern is to simply cut the petals off the wad allowing the shot to scrub the bore and slightly deform the pellets. Using high antimony shot I've used this method very successively since. You don't need to cut all the petal off to the base- about 1/3 removal works well for me but you can experiment to see what patterns best for your gun. I considered then and now, Tom Roster to be the eminent authority in reloading. I will try and find his letter and post it. Daryl |
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I just stick to using Winchester primers as they are the easiest to get around here. I will use Remington STS and Winchester interchangebly but the STS primers are a little pricey.
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Brian,
Best advice to someone new to reloading is to make sure you follow the recipes exactly - hull manufacturer+ primer+powder weight+ shot weight. I always refer to the powder companies reloading data since it is more current. http://www.hodgdon.com/basic-manual-inquiry.html In a previous thread, you were thinking of using Remington STS's. A very good hull that I've had a lot of great results with. Begin with the STS hull as a starting point and go to the link and start inputting information from the pull down menus and you can see how the different load combinations with different components effect velocity and PSI. My load for skeet, trap, clays for my old doubles: 1 oz. Lead Shot Rem. 209P primer Clay Buster 1100-12 wad 23 grains of IMR SR 7625 powder 5,100 PSI 1150 velocity Here you will see Winchester and Remington primers have the best loads for low PSI but Federals are higher. Federals are generally a hotter primer = higher pressures. |
Most primers have about the same pressures. Cheddite, Win, Fiocchi and Rem. are all about the same, within a hundred or two for pressure. The Federal are usually quite a bit hotter. Crimp depth has a greater effect on pressure. Factory shells have about .050 to .060 and that is what is used for reloading data. Going down to .020 or up to .080 will change pressures by 1 to 2000psi. Paul
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Tom Armbrust's tests show higher variation than 100 PSI
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My statement was too general. Tom has listed more primers than I knew about or generally see for sale. Looking at my IMR handbook, only the Fed 209A primer gives a much higher pressure than the Win 209 or Rem 209P. From the Claybuster wad guide the Cheddite is about the same as Win. I believe the Fiocchi is the same as Win. I couldn't find any load data for some of the primers Tom listed. So yes, there can be more variation and one should check first. Paul
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have seen some loads listed bypeople who are very good at ballastic and pressure testing and some of the loads with same primers powder shot and wads hulls etc...would give pressures as much as 1000 difference in pressure..and these loads were loaded up at the same time with identical every thing.... charlie
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