Good luck with that Stan. Maybe someone could rework the hammer to match

I have seen hammers mixed up at the factory on guns that went down the line together, but these numbers are pretty far apart. .

Stan what’s the one above it in the picture ? Looks like a Remington possibly ?

Craig,
that gun is somewhat of a mystery, hoping to find someone who can tell me more about the gun.
It is a 10 gauge and the only markings are on the top rib, Lancaster Arms, Lancaster PA.

Lancaster Arms was the company formed by Alfred Harvey Worrest who patented the Infallible Single Trigger in the early 1900's. I have not found any evidence that he produced any firearms, I will post better pictures so hopefully someone can give clues as to who produced the gun. It has rather extensive engraving and is in great condition.
My interest was sparked because of my home being close to Lancaster.

Stan

The good thing is when they’re both mounted on the gun you can’t see the slight difference between them.





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[QUOTE=Dean Romig;424732]The good thing is when they’re both mounted on the gun you can’t see the slight difference between them.

Good point Dean,
the engraving on the side is not noticeable at that point, but the different height of the hammers is obvious and the engraving on the area of the hammer where your thumb lands when cocking is of different size.

Phoenix was the stocker.

Randy, did you get the serial number on this gun? I have only ever seen one other Parker with these recessed breech faces… could even be the same gun.





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I’ve seen that dead pigeon gun before but I don’t remember who the custodian was at that time.





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Yup, it’s a thing. I’ve owned several Lifters. I have no idea what made Parker Bros. think the top action was some kind of improvement… the Lifter action is so much more ergonomically designed and more simple to use.






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Dean, it was # 11126. This gun along with the pin lifter have been with the same owner under wraps on the west coast for probably 30 years or more as I understand it.

I have seen that name somewhere, likely in TPS. It's actually spelled Phenix if you zoom and has what appears to be a J in front of it?

Thanks Randy. So it’s apparantly not the same one and is only the second one I have known about.





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The Gent was adamant that this was factory work and as I believe I stated earlier he alluded to a DGJ article that would support this. I have not taken the time to look for it. I found it odd that the recesses were not uniform in depth. If you look closely you can see that the bottom of the recess (nearest the water table) is deeper that the top. It's actually quite noticeable with the gun in hand and is the same on both. This made me suspicious but then again we do tend to pick things apart when viewing for originality, myself included.

The angle between the water table and the breech face on Parkers is not 90 degrees. This may account for the uneven cutting of the breech face recess.

This in itself gives me a certain doubt of it being PB factory work. PB, knowing the angle was not a perfect 90 would have taken this into account when machining the recesses.





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I agree with Dean, that it is very unlikely Parker Brothers work. Had it been, and there was a logical reason, it would have been more common. The reason was likely to chamber and shoot cartridges which had a thick rim, but altering the gun would have made for an unsafe headspacing if one was to go back to thin rims. What makes me go hmm, is why did they rebate the standing breech, and not simply deepen the rim groove in the barrels? The breech face would then still be perpendicular to the bore, and not a calculated machining angle. The reason the breech face is not a 90 degree perpendicular angle is simple, when you think about it. If it were 90 degrees, the bottom edge of the barrels would strike the breech face in closing.

Edgar, I will read the remainder of your post after I recover from the first four words where you stated and I quote, "I agree with Dean". That has to be a first. Would you like to edit that before others see it, feeling alright?? :rotf:

Randy, it's like Haley's Comet. It comes around every 76 years, and since Dean just celebrated his 77th Birthday, and I know I agreed with him a few years ago, I figured I'd get it out of the way early. I do feel much better now that I know I can look forward to the next 76 years worry free.

Hell, I'm just glad you're alright. That sorta talk had me worried. Hope Dean's handling it alright. He's probably down, overcome with emotion. :)

A Few more Pictures and a Question
 

Pictures of right side, and a few others.

#1 Dean, does this checkering match the checkering on your L4?
#2 The lone #5, did the barrels weigh an even 5 lbs? Or what does the 4 represent, grade possibly?
#3The gun now wears sling attachments, letter does not mention them and I’m not a fan of them. Just making sure this piece wouldn’t be original, or can someone show me an original?

Stan, here are some pics for comparison. I think the checkering is similar. Can’t see your ball grip face for comparison. My gun has a 4 on the barrel flats which I presume to be grade due to its location and cuz barrels weigh more than 4 finished. Mine does not show a pre-finished weight. I suspect your 5 IS the pre-finished weight of your gun.

Thanks for the excellent pictures there Dean!

I believe the checkering is very similar, I love the ball grips, I will post pics of mine later.

I believe you're correct on the barrel flat markings. Do we know what the small o signifies in front of the 2 (frame size) on the barrel lug?

Does your frame water table have any markings regarding quality/grade?? Mine does not, and most if not all areas where the serial # is stamped, the 0 is very faint.

Stan

PS. Any comments on the sling attachment, I assume this is post manufacturing??

A few more.

Looks like 11102





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Sling Swivels
 

Stan, earlier in the thread you had inquired about the swivels being original. I searched the forum under "swivels" and found a thread (link below) that has pics of a factory lettered set of swivels. They are held in place via screws.

https://parkerguns.org/forums/showth...hlight=swivels

These are Winchester sling hooks, but probably the type used on your gun, Stan.

The numeral 4 on the right barrel flat is most definitely the grade stamp.





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Thank you for the help gentlemen!

Thanks for the link Randy, I thank you for thinking of the Search option :rolleyes:

I will try to remember that the next time before asking. As you can see, mine has no screws, so I’m assuming it may be held in place by solder??

The rear swivel, is quite large. I can’t hardly think of letting these swivel’s attached, but maybe I’ll leave the forward swivel attached for the time:whistle:

Stan,
Posting a picture of water table. Just the SN, too early for grade stamp. On the 0 stamp near the frame size stamp on lug, I am not aware of any documentation of its meaning on the forum or in TPS.