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Keith Sirmans 02-19-2024 03:10 PM

Found it as my wife was throwing it away so I get to read this one woohoo! It had a turkey on the front and she thought it was NWTF stuff

Dean Romig 02-19-2024 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by edgarspencer (Post 405774)
No, single bead is correct. The stock is checkered as an AH or BH, but not AAH.


Sorry Edgar - I must have misunderstood your meaning… however, I can’t be held to blame in this because you never made mention of the checkered cheek panels. :bigbye:





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edgarspencer 02-19-2024 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 405804)
Sorry Edgar - I must have misunderstood your meaning… however, I can’t be held to blame in this because you never made mention of the checkered cheek panels. :bigbye:

I shouldn't have had to mention anything about the checkering within the cheeks, as they are the same on BH, AH and AAH. Aside from that which has nothing to do with what I was asking in my original post, the checkering treatment around the Fleur de lis is treated entirely differently on a AA, than a B or A.
I hope you didn't exhaust yourself, strongly objecting for nothing.

Bill Murphy 02-19-2024 05:14 PM

I don't understand ten percent of this argument, so I will bail out. I just realized that I have an AA somewhere, but I'm not going to drag it out to look.

Dean Romig 02-19-2024 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by edgarspencer (Post 405807)
....the checkering treatment around the Fleur de lis is treated entirely differently on a AA, than a B or A.

Thank you Edgar for reinforcing the exact point that I had made.





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Dean Romig 02-19-2024 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 405811)
I don't understand ten percent of this argument, so I will bail out...


Bill, I wasn't argueing at all. I simply stated that I disagreed with a statement someone had made.





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Stan Hoover 02-19-2024 05:33 PM

Don't screw it up Dean, I think Bill might be getting ready to share a picture:coffee:

Dean Romig 02-19-2024 05:43 PM

:rotf::biglaugh::rotf:





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Jim Wescott 02-19-2024 05:56 PM

Congratulations Mike on your black belt and find Texas Rio! Love the hat!!!

edgarspencer 02-19-2024 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 405813)
Thank you Edgar for reinforcing the exact point that I had made.

Oh? And what was that? Do you agree the treatment of the checkering surrounding the fleu de lis on the gun shown (on the back page of the PP) is not consistent with an AAH?

Mike Franzen 02-19-2024 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wescott (Post 405820)
Congratulations Mike on your black belt and find Texas Rio! Love the hat!!!

It’s an honor to wear that hat! You and Niles would have been proud of me working those birds.

Randy G Roberts 02-20-2024 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by edgarspencer (Post 405830)
Oh? Do you agree the treatment of the checkering surrounding the fleu de lis on the gun shown (on the back page of the PP) is not consistent with an AAH?

Edgar the question was not posed to me directly but, yes I agree. We have seen at least one AH with the checkering around the fleur in the same fashion as an AAH but I do not ever recall seeing an AAH with checkering around the fleur, or lack of such as the one you have referenced. It is more consistent with an A or B as you previously noted. Might make for an interesting letter.

edgarspencer 02-20-2024 08:18 AM

The question was directed to anyone, so thank you for taking the time to let me know I wasn't imagining it. Since there were so few AAH guns made in 28ga., it makes one wonder if a letter would contain "make like......" or some such validation of it's origin. Without that, it could mean mistake, restock, upgrade, or several other possibilities. It would certainly seem, at least from the picture, that the gun is an AAH, and why the stock is anything else, adds to the mystique. Certainly would still be the crowning piece in anyone's collection.

Mike Koneski 02-20-2024 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan Hoover (Post 405816)
Don't screw it up Dean, I think Bill might be getting ready to share a picture:coffee:

STOP THE PRESSES!!! :shock::corn:

To put it nicely, if Bill posts a pic I’ll be dipped in poop and rolled in peanut butter!!

Bill Murphy 02-20-2024 09:36 AM

We have seen a picture, or a link to a picture, of my gun in question. Good luck locating that picture.

Andrew Sacco 02-20-2024 10:02 AM

Two things I have to say.

First of all, Mike's belt is an EIGTH degree blackbelt, so he's had that thing a while. Congratulations Mike, that's an achievement few on planet Earth could accomplish.

Second, I am glad it comes in a clear wrapper. What are we going to do, keep "hiding" behind the fear of being persecuted or ridiculed? Trust me, Big Brother knows all about you anyways and where you are all the time. And what you own. I'm proud of what I support and not going to hide it.

In my office here in NYS I'm supposed to post a sign saying whether I allow or don't allow concealed carry. I'm guessing 95% of businesses do NOT post a sign. If I'm forced to, guess what? The ones who don't like that my patients carry can go elsewhere. And I will NOT support any local restaurant or business that does not allow CC. That's why I won't go to hockey games or baseball games here. I hate nothing more than a hypocrite.

John Davis 02-21-2024 09:14 AM

Anybody find the Easter egg?:cool:

Bill Murphy 02-21-2024 12:27 PM

Randy's post is a bit contradictory. "AH with checkering around the fleur like a AA" Then "Do not recall seeing a AA with checkering around the fleur." Maybe Randy will clarify.

Randy G Roberts 02-21-2024 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 405923)
Randy's post is a bit contradictory. "AH with checkering around the fleur like a AA" Then "Do not recall seeing a AA with checkering around the fleur." Maybe Randy will clarify.

Note the top picture of an AAH as taken from the grades section and how the checkering outline wraps around the fleur, then note the bottom pic of an AH and how the checkering outline does "not" wrap around the fleur.

What I said was:
We have seen at least one AH with the checkering around the fleur in the same fashion as an AAH
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but I do not ever recall seeing an AAH with checkering around the fleur, or lack of such as the one you have referenced. It is more consistent with an A or B as you previously noted.

Maybe more simply stated I have seen an AH with the more elaborate pattern but never an AAH with the simpler pattern seen on A and B grades.

Jim McKee 02-21-2024 12:54 PM

Our Parker Pages is always a joy to find in my mailbox and very proud of the job so many of you do!

Mike Koneski 02-21-2024 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by John Davis (Post 405911)
Anybody find the Easter egg?:cool:

You know I did! :cool::bigbye:

edgarspencer 02-25-2024 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Randy G Roberts (Post 405858)
Edgar the question was not posed to me directly but, yes I agree. We have seen at least one AH with the checkering around the fleur in the same fashion as an AAH but I do not ever recall seeing an AAH with checkering around the fleur, or lack of such as the one you have referenced. It is more consistent with an A or B as you previously noted. Might make for an interesting letter.

This BHE just turned up on GI, checkered like an AA.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...102565449#md-7

Mike Koneski 02-25-2024 09:13 AM

When CSMC says “make offer”, the price is too high. SN looks to be Photoshopped out of the trigger guard tang. Maybe it’s just me, but my spider sense tingles when I read their ads.

edgarspencer 02-25-2024 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Koneski (Post 406160)
When CSMC says “make offer”, the price is too high. SN looks to be Photoshopped out of the trigger guard tang. Maybe it’s just me, but my spider sense tingles when I read their ads.

Ya gotta start somewhere.
While I was sitting on the couch talking to Tony, Lou came to him and asked about an email inquiry. The gun in question was marked $9995, and Tony said without hesitation "$8500". If you're not savvy enough to make an offer, you either didn't do your homework, or you don't know what something's worth.

Randy G Roberts 02-25-2024 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by edgarspencer (Post 406159)
This BHE just turned up on GI, checkered like an AA.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...102565449#md-7

Interesting Edgar. Pics are poor but from what I can see I don't like the way the cheek panels are cut in. Angle looks off for a Parker to me ????

Reggie Bishop 02-25-2024 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by edgarspencer (Post 406159)
This BHE just turned up on GI, checkered like an AA.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...102565449#md-7

I ordered a letter on this gun some time back. Gun was originally a pistol grip gun so it was restocked by someone along the way.

Mike Koneski 02-25-2024 01:36 PM

I understand your point Edgar. Problem is certain vendors of vintage doubles seem to have an abundance of “high grade” guns that fall into the serial number range that we have no records to prove they have upgraded or are original. I’ll let it go at that.

edgarspencer 02-25-2024 06:00 PM

I get that, Mike, but what I was addressing was your comment that if it said 'make an offer' your interpretation was the price was too high. If anything, I've always known Tony to be open to negotiation. I really haven't bought a lot from him; maybe 6 or 7 guns in all the years I've known him, but I don't think I ever paid what he had on it, and even felt I could have done better. Tony buys lots of guns. He has even bought guns from me when I was selling to buy from someone else. He reminds me of guns my dad or I have, or have had, that I don't remember. If he has "an abundance" of guns where records don't exist, I think its a stretch to suggest that he plans it that way.

Dean Romig 02-25-2024 10:00 PM

True Edgar… However, there are Parkers suspected of being upgrades who’s serial numbers fall within the range of thise contained within the pages of some of the missing books. I will refrain from naming names of those in who’s posession sone of the missing books might be found.





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edgarspencer 02-25-2024 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 406201)
I will refrain from naming names of those in who’s posession sone of the missing books might be found..

That would be wise of you because it might be embarrassing.

Kevin McCormack 02-25-2024 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by edgarspencer (Post 406161)
Ya gotta start somewhere.
While I was sitting on the couch talking to Tony, Lou came to him and asked about an email inquiry. The gun in question was marked $9995, and Tony said without hesitation "$8500". If you're not savvy enough to make an offer, you either didn't do your homework, or you don't know what something's worth.

Another tangent approach to advice on the "Thank me, Spank me" school of gun price negotiation! There are several masters of it on this and other BBSs. They know that we know that they know who they are.

Open your mouth and, as the PA Dutch say, "Spricht the Spacht!" At a firehouse gun show over the weekend, a timid soul walked in a new condition Winchester 1200 pump gun with 3 barrels, 1 deer slug with sights, 1 vent 26" IC, 1 30 Full vent.

He wanted to sell it and asked me if I thought $250 was too much for it with al 3 barrels and the case. I told him to let the "dealers" tell him what they would pay for it. About 12 minutes later he came by my table and said, "Wow, he musta really liked it; I got about 3X what I wanted for it!" Not a Parker, not a Purdey, but a great object lesson in gun trading.

Dean Romig 02-26-2024 09:04 AM

Kevin - My brother-in-law got a great deal on a VERY similar Winchester 12 with the same barrel combo, just without the vent rib, at Cabela’s in Scarborough ME 5 years ago for $300.





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