It looks like they swage the barrels expanding both the ID and OD to accept those chunky factory choke tubes. Briley figured it out years ago not having to expand the barrels. Although I have an 11-87 and a 1100 with factory choke tubes and they are not flared.

The barrels are not swaged, they are machined that way to give more thickness for the choke tubes & keep down barrel weight. Where thin choke tubes are the only way to install choke tubes in normal choked barrels. The factory choke tube barrels are more robust & safer (dings & barrel damage from dropping) than thin choke tubes. Some choke tube barrels are machined with a straight taper & some with a slight bell. I've had both Thin & factory. Personally, I'd rather have the more robust factory choke tube barrel.

I wish I could give Daryl more than one "thanks" for his last two posts. He tells it like it is. The flares are not in our imagination and some shooters can't stand them. Further, the gun in question at $7995 is two thousand dollars more than a similar Repro without chokes, a heck of a surcharge for choke tubes. Briley does the whole job with chokes for $549, less with dealer discount. In addition, it seems like the seller can't make up his mind about a gun that our posters say "has a slight flare" and describes the barrels in his ad as "dead straight". Which is it?

With the above post filled with so much naivety, one wonders where to start? So, I'll start with this:

It bears repeating that you are not comparing apples to apples. You cannnot compare the dramatic swell, flare or bulging, or whatever you choose to call it, of Perazzi, Krieghoff and a host of other manufacturers barrels to the slight flare of the Sporting Clays Classic. They are very different in appearance. You, yourself Bill, commented in post #13 of this thread: "The pictured SCC is very nice with no apparent flare. I would love to add that gun to my Repro collection."

RE: The asking price of the listed gun being two grand more than a similar Repro. Why does one gun command a higher price than another? Listed below are a few reasons, you may have others...
* Versatility -- apparently it doesn't to you, but to others it might be a big deal.
* Condition -- apparently it doesn't to you, but to others it might be a big deal.
* Rarity -- apparently it doesn't to you, but to others it might be a big deal.
* Quality of wood -- apparently it doesn't to you, but to others it might be a big deal.
* Dimensions -- apparently it doesn't to you, but to others it might be a big deal.

One has to wonder why Daryl would purchase that beautiful Perazzi MX28 in the first place if he couldn't stand looking at them due to the flared muzzles?

As to the seller of the GI listed SCC changing his wording from "Barrels are dead straight, with no flare out for the tubes." to "Barrels appear to be dead straight." My take on that is that he was totally unaware and couldn't believe there was/is a slight flare after it was pointed out to him via his own photo. So, he edited his listing. I guess he can now play dumb by using the word "appear" if someone should question his listing.

If you're that anal about the slight flare to a SCC's muzzles, you best keep the SCC in your "did not buy" bucket o' guns. :)

Well the reason I purchased the 28 Perazzi is because it was a good deal and I thought I could live with the flared muzzles. After a while it bothered me so when the gentleman I purchased the gun from told me he a fixed choke MX28 and he would give me what I paid for the flared one it was a no brainer. Some people like chocolate, some like vanilla. Muzzles with even the slightest amount of flare have no appeal to me.

No need to worry, you’ll get over it. Therapy is available. The first step is admitting there’s a problem. :)

There is no problem here. With all due respect I don't like them so buy all the flared guns you want. We all don't have to like the same things.

You're right, no need to get all worked up about it as what's been said has been in jest. After all, we're all friends here!

I love slightly flared muzzles! Fixed chokes, too!

I see the gunbroker listing price for the "SSC" has been lowered from $8995 to $7995. That's still about $2000 too high. I bought mine (unfired in original box, hard case & cover) for $5700 last November. Granted, the wood is very nice on the gunbroker, but also splinter forearm & double triggers are not a plus to most buyers.

I am of the belief that: splinter forend, long LOP, Double Triggers and great Wood are definitely value adds.
Bob Jurewicz

And getting harder to find as collectors sniff out the double trigger guns.

Well, as predicted, this beautiful Sporting Clays Classic is marked as SALE PENDING -- despite what some naysayers wrote regarding the price. Must have been the versatility of choke tubes, the very slight muzzle flare and the gorgeous Claro walnut that the Sporting Clays Classic brings to the table that led to the quick sale.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=102782392

That is a nice gun. Choke tubes would be wasted on me though as I'd choose two choke tubes and they'd stay in the barrels. Probably M/IM.

Alternatively, if you were to take full advantage of the SCC's versatility you could drop in the SK/SK tubes when Skeet is the game or if you're in a Long Bird competition you might consider the F/XF tubes, or a multitude of any other situations -- you name it. With an SCC you're ready for anything!

That does make it a versatile gun but I'm with Mike. M/IM will do it all.

Is that M/IM fixed choked gun capable of shooting steel? How about when the firepower of 3" loads might be called for? How about Handicap Trap Doubles? Or how about those screaming rabbit targets at 15 feet?

Just think, no more muttering to yourself . . . "I sure wish I had a Sporting Clays Classic!"

That’s to open most of the guns I shoot are full and a bit more . And true you either obliterate or miss very few chippers on anything inside fifteen yards . :rotf: Funny how perspective changes over the years ! When the basis of my shotgunning was skeet quail dove grouse 26” IC/M or S/S were what I wanted . Now typically I want full full and 30-34” for everything although I don’t bother grouse any longer . It’s kinda satisfying when I’m at the local club shooting skeet with those that think they’re the clubs hotshot skeet shooters and I run a round with a 32” SxS hammer gun that’s choked quite tight after they’ve informed me “I won’t hit shit “ .

You have a good point but for this guy, I don't shoot 3" or steel shot. If I must shoot steel that's what my fixed choke BSS is for. If I'm waterfowl hunting I use ITX or TSS. I can shoot ITX in my Parkers. It has a custom stock and an ISIS recoil system so it handles my waterfowl loads and my heavy crow loads (1 1/8 oz #5 or #6 at 1350-1400 FPS).

What Mike said. I find no need for 3" or steel. I find that not worrying about chokes let's me focus on what's important. I bought my BSS way back when they first mandated . If need be I'll use a non-tox load.

Yeah I got past playing with 3” when I had that hardware store HE Fox . My handloaded 3” 1 5/8 ounce loads were eye opening to say the least !:bigbye:

I hear that Trump shoots a Sporting Clays Classic.

And shoots it better than any human has ever done before

SCC
 

Did all these guns have 3" and steel shot capability? Thanks, Chuck

Every SCC that I've measured and every brochure and article written that I've read say the SCCs have 3" chambers, despite every SCC that I've seen are stamped as having 2 3/4" chambers on the left barrel. Per the manufacturer, the SCC is fine and fully capable of shooting steel shot providing modified or more open choke tubes are installed when shooting steel.

How is yours stamped and what is your gun's chamber length actually measure?

My SCC is marked 2 3/4" & measures 3"

You're right, mine is marked 2 3/4" G grade and has 3" chambers. Thanks for the info. Actually shooting it tomorrow in a 100 bird sporting clays DU tournament. Chuck

Does Trump really shoot a shotgun?

I have never seen a reference to him hunting or shooting, but he may participate in a social situation, given his friends and associates. His two sons are intense big game hunters and well spoken of often on the better big game hunting sites. I seem to remember a comment by Trump in an interview to the effect that he didn't understand the draw for them but supported their activities totally and respected their abilities in the endeavour.

I met Don Jr at the Orvis Game Fair several years ago. He had just bought a Model 12.