That’s why Parkers are much better for clays. The lightweight Fox is not conducive to hundreds of rounds per day. For me, a few pounds more in a gun is nothing when carrying it in the field. I’m Polish, German and Scandinavian so we’re just tough! 😎😁🤪

Oh but you should see that BHE 20, it's a screamer Craig.

You're preaching to the choir here Craig. You know how I love the Fox 20 and I manage to shoot it fairly well. To me, they are a much more livelier handling gun. That's not to knock the Parker 20's I own. I own a few and enjoy shooting them but 9 out of 10 times I will pick a Fox over the Parker. I also have a Lefever 20 which is in the same league as the Fox. But with out a doubt my Parker 28's are in a league by themselves. As a sidebar, the Parker 28 on a OO frame is the same size as a Fox smallbore frame. Too bad Fox never saw fit to make a 28.:banghead:

As far as 2023 acquisitions I did acquire a nice 12ga A grade with 30in tubes and a 20ga Parker Trojan with 26in tubes and the doll's head extension bequeathed to me by a lifelong friend.

I’d have been totally okay with AH Fox if they’d seen fit to make 8’s 10’s 28’s and 410’s :whistle:

I have a 20 gauge Sterlingworth that is my go-to wood duck gun. No other manufacturer made a gun quite like the Super Fox, although many tried.

The Super Fox gets much hype, but how does the pattern compare to other makers that were chambered for the 3" shell??

Parker of course made quite a few although I don't know that I've ever heard a number??

Ithaca produced 87 12 gauge Ithaca NID's with 3" chambers on their Larger Magnum Frame with the additional lug through the frame for strength.

I've never owned or shot a Super Fox and I don't want to be hung or stoned:shock:, but was the pattern out of a Becker Super Fox that much better than the other makers magnum 12's??

There are way too many variables among guns and shot shells for one to make a blanket statement about any particular gun. The Super Fox is a fine long distance shotgun no doubt, but I don't think they are in that category by themselves.

That's a great question Stan. I'm sure Frank, Craig or Researcher might have some data on the patterns of a Becker barreled gun vs a factory barreled gun. I'd be interested too to see definitive proof of MUCH better patterns opposed to non-Becker patterns. Was it the real deal or just a hype/status symbol thing. Kind of like the latest, greatest choke tube gimmick in the registered clays shooting world that everyone just has to have or you'll be left behind. Frank did a lot of pattern testing with his guns. Not sure whether that was to test the various guns or if it was to test various loads? I just don't remember. I'm sure he'll be along shortly.

Sold a 24", 28 gauge, and bought a 30", 28 gauge.

Good dealing Edgar!! I'm jealous!





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The HE I had for a month or two was tight , but sad to say I never patterned it . But my God that hun felt heavy although on postage scales it only weighed 9 1/2 pounds . I shoot a couple Parker 10’s that are heavier via the scales but they don’t feel as heavy as that HE did to me . Have a friend the had a Smith Long Range that shot some sporty patterns at 40+ yards . I’ve yet to fondle a 21 Duck but maybe soon .

Yes I thought I just had to have a VHE 28 30” and almost had one . If it hadn’t been for shooting the Parker VHE 28 30” belonging to a Parker regular I’d never have been intrested in such a thing .

Go to Walmart they’ll sell you some junk to make any color hair you like . Just saying for a friend :rotf::rotf::rotf:

The Super-Fox and earlier LC Smith Long Range are the only two Special Long Range duck guns on which I've ever seen detailed patterning results by period/recognized experts. Both performed about equally well with 40 yard patterns typically at 80 - 85% using paper roll crimp progressive 3-inch shells and 1-3/8 oz of ducking size shot. In terms of pellet count that was comparable to 40 yard patterning at 95% or so with 2-3/4-inch/1-1/4 oz regular "High Brass" loads. A major step change!

The Super-Fox's modern day performance with Kent 3-inch Bismuth and Tungsten Matrix loads wasn't up to the old time par when I tested a good Super against a Winchester Model 21 Duck gun and a Model 12 Heavy Duck pump gun, both 3-inchers. Probably due to the Super's very heavy choke profile that was regulated for those long discontinued progressive shells with fiber wards and bare lead shot. In fact the Model 12 HD pump gun with conventional 12-gauge .730" bore and regular "Full" choking bested the Super-Fox at 40 and 60 yards. Anyone interested in this objective testing of the Super-Fox and the two other 12g/3-inch guns might refer to the article Too High Still in the DGJ Volume 28/Issue 3

Sorry Stan I didn't have a 3-inch Ithaca NID or Parker for testing. Again, despite extensive research I never found any objective pattern efficiency results with period paper 3-inch/1-3/8 oz shells in either gun.

PARKER small-bores =

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FOX small-bores =

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Both beautiful specimens with slightly different handling characteristics!!

That bottom pic is definitely high maintenance. The top pic gets the job done too. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Just sayin'. :corn:

Tool man, now you can dig Team Crescent!! :rotf::rotf::rotf:

Sadly sold 155110 and149977 age and health wins again