Dave do you know if this Tipton gentleman is still of the living ?

I picked up a Expert grade made the last year for the Model 11, July 1948. 30" F vent rib, 14 3/4" LOD fantastic engraving especially the dogs. That fills a slot my collection, A, D, E, and F in both 12 and 20ga. Just need to find a good B and Trap. Not interested in the Riot.

Have you seen any D, E or F’s in 16 gauge ?

Craig I have not seen a 16ga D or above. My 20ga F is the only small bore graded D or above I have seen, I'm sure they were made but seem to be uncommon.

Dave I was trying to wade thru the REM Society forum and ran across something you’d posted which I had no idea was factory done ! Cutts yes but wasn’t aware they’d ever put those bastard poly chokes on at the factory .

Remington factory Poly-Chokes were milled integral with the barrels, just like their ribs. Condon had this Model 11 20-gauge a while back --

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Here is one on a Model 31 12-gauge --

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This is the only engraved 16-gauge I've saved pictures of and it has replacement wood.

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Bestill my heart and a skeet gun no less :bowdown:

If one wants to really pic nits, cross the i's and dot the t's, Remington only catalogued The Sportsman as a "Skeet Gun", but one could get a SKEET choke barrel for a Model 11.

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I wonder if those Sportsman that left the factory as so called "skeet guns" were marked skeet anywhere besides on the barrel ?

Not that I've ever seen. They did have the grip cap and the fuller forearm wood than the "Standard" Grades.

My "Skeet" 20 is only marked on the barrel as a choke marking. The beavertail forearm is the only real identifying feature.

I picked up this Sportsman 20 ga Skeet at the Kittery Trading Post for cheap money earlier this month. I knew little about them but it appealed to me and thought I couldn't get hurt very much for the money. Somebody went to the trouble of making it a straight grip conversion. Not a bad job hut they didn't quite get the attachment to the receiver perfect so I gave it to Brian to make it right. I have no idea if the Cutts is factory or add on, barrel is serial numbered to the gun and marked Skeet. The modified choke threw a 73% pattern of 7/8 oz 8's at 40 yards. The Spreader choke threw a nice even 57% pattern. So far it's cycling flawlessly and with the rings in the light position it's cycling 3/4 ounce loads as well.

Posted pictures of my Premier F grade a few weeks ago under off topics. Barrel is .034 but there is no visible choke marking on the barrel. Nice gun but it has been restocked with a lower grade stock. I am guessing that the stocks cracked on many of these guns. I believe the F grades were stocked with Circassian walnut.
Anyone recommend a place where I can buy a good replacement? A good pantograph stock?

must be the kind of wood used..thesister to the model 11 the browning a 5 did not have many problems with their stocks...I aint seen a model 11 for sale in my area for a good while...charlie

Phil, I think that's the original stock. English Walnut doesn't have the figure that high grade American Black Walnut does.

I know I had a ball shooting 12 and 20 gauge Model 11’s at Rock Mountain this year . I hope to do that again next year .

I’ve seen a few blurbs about Remington once upon a time making what they called “Long Range” barrels for model 11’s and 31’s years ago . I’d be curious to know how much more if any was the constriction on a regular 30 or 32 inch full choke barrel vs one of these Long Range barrels . Until I see proof I’m gonna tend to think it was just a marketing ploy . The following three Mr. Noreen had posted on the Remington Society forum .

I’ve got two 32” and one 30” I think I’ll measure and see how much constriction they have since they’re rollstamped “full” . And maybe someday one or two of the marked Ling Range barrels will be available to measure .

That checkering pattern is what is shown in the early catalogs on the "Tournament" and "Expert" Grades. The "Premier" Grade was shown with a bit fancier pattern. The quality of that wood is about the same as the imported walnut on my Father's 1896 vintage AE-Grade Remington Hammerless Double.

Mr. Jim has sadly passed
 

Craig Mr. Jim passed in 2015 I believe.

He was a fine mentor and friend.

Will

RAS Grade 6 Stock
 

Phil,

If you ever have the stock off for any reason you can confirm if it does or does not match the gun's serial number.

I would bet that you are correct, however, if you decide to part with the existing one just know that it does appear to be a factory Pre-1909 Tournament (D Grade) stock. If I am correct the serial number would be under the 60,xxx mark.

Good luck in finding a donor or having one made,

Will

RAS No. 6 Factory Wood

Expert Grip Checkering on RAS
 

Expert more fully covers the bottom of the grip.

Will

Thank you Dave and Will for sharing information on the model 11 stock patterns.

Examples of checkering and stock wood.
1. 1928 A Grade
2. 1910 D Tournament
3. 1948 E Expert
4. 1910 F 12ga
5. 1929 F 29ga

Thannk you Craig. I really Appreciate the posting of these examples.

Checkering Pattern
 

Phil,

Your gun would match Craig's 1910 pattern, not the earlier pattern of two of my guns posted above.

Notice the stock you have now is the pattern prior to Craig's 1910 Tournament, no split in the top section with the additional "wing".

Good Luck,

Will

Thank you Will for this as well as the Pm’s. I hope sometime to find a stock ( not likely ) or have it restocked correctly.

After seeing Dave’s post about the Remington “Long Range” barrels I was curious about the chokes in the three 12 gauge Model 11 barrels in my possession . I’ve got a 30” vent rib barrel that’s on a 1922 gun and serial numbers to that gun , it has 35 thousandths . I’ve got a 32” solid rib barrel that’s on a 1932 gun and serial numbers to it as well , this one has 43 thousandths and finally I have a plain 32” barrel I bought by itself and it measures 40 thousandths . I’m hoping I can run across a Long Range barrel and get a reading from it .

Long Range
 

Good Luck Craig,

I have only seen 2 in the years that I have been following them that I thought were 100% authentic from the factory, and have never had one in my hands.

Will

Did you happen to measure the constriction ? I’m still of the opinion the roll stamp on the actual factory marked Long Range barrels was just a marketing ploy . But I could very well be wrong .

Craig edited my previous post to hands from possesion.

Never seen one in person only photos.

I'm of the opinion if it has a factory roll marked choke marking it is not a true "Long Range" barrel.

Only barrels that have only Long Range and no other choke marking wether on the side or bottom of the barrel qualify in my opinion if they were truly a custom choking.

Like I said I have seen 2 such examples in photos.

Will

Craig(s) and Will: My M11 32" solid rib barrel marked "Long Range" is choked .036 using a Hosford gauge; SN is 429845 and barrel numbers to the gun.

Did you have that gun at Baltimore a few years back when you had I think it was a trap gun display ?

No Craig - I only recently bought it - you may be thinking of the FN Browning A-5 Special for Pigeons, a 30" SR gun that was in the display.

I don't remember that Kevin and I have ever had a trap gun display, but our pigeon gun display was quite impressive.

That was maybe 6-8 years ago ?

Do you think the engraved LONG RANGE are fake? Model 31 TC. picture supplied to me by Walter Snyder.

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31 TC Long Range
 

Sorry Dave I think I sent that to you years ago.

Walt had the "Ordnance" marked RAS No. 6.

That 31TC I beleive is right as rain.

Llano Bill sold it on Trap Shooters to someone and I never got a contact to see if he minded sharing the choking profife with me.

Will

Here is the other "Kosher" Long Range I have photos of, IMHO.

Remington Model11
 

Hang Tags for a Remington Model 11 A grade 12ga. 28"...