Logically speaking, you'd assume that the 0000-frame Repros should measure 12/16" between the firing pins. It has been mentioned in this forum a few times that it is thought the 4/0-frame Repros measure the same 13/16" spacing as the 000-frame orig. Parker Bros. frames, similar to why do the 1/2-frame Parkers at 1 1/16" measure the same as the 1-frames? No logical explanation, they just do. Sadly, I did not have a tape measure with me at the 2014 Antique Arms Show in Las Vegas to measure the pin spacing of the only 4/0 frame Repro I've ever held. Hopefully, someone that actually owns one of these uber fascinating 4/0-frame Repros will come forward with the definitive spacing -- until then, I guess we're just assuming.

I have measured them and seem to recall that the separation on a 0000 frame is 13/16, same as a 000.

And this is what makes PGCA great. Those of us that are shooters would look at the gun and handle the gun and shoot the gun and say "This'll break targets." The technical guru collector types amongst us see the minutae of the details and judge the gun on those little things. As a "bottom feeder" I find these posts very educational. Thanks Greg!!

Kinda the reason I started this . I didn’t realize how few repro 410’s actually came to be . I was hoping I’d be able to find one to shoot .

That's why a repro .410 and 28g are on my radar next week. Now if they can have double triggers and extractors and would be a two barrel set, that would be even better. :corn: I'd take VH guns too but not at stupid prices.

Wait, Mike. A non ejector Repro at not crazy prices? Where are they? I'll sell you a VH, but the price will be crazy, like it was when I bought it. OK, crazy plus.

Bill, can you please post some pics of that VH?

No, but I can post a price tag.

No pigs in a poke deals thank you :rolleyes:

I see a difference in the distance from the rear of frame/wood to the rounding toward the hinge pin of approximately 9 % less ' which mean less metal in the frame, etc. !!! I certainly could be wrong . Just my observation.

Allan

Greg, I don't claim to be a logical person, but my wife tells me I'm lucky to have married one. She can't help me here, though.
If an '0' frame pin spacing is 1.00", and a '00' frame pin spacing is 15/16', then why is a '000' frame not 7/8" (14/16") ? If it was 7/8", then, logically, wouldn't a '0000' frame fall right into place at 13/16" ?

Two things that really stick me in the eye when looking at this 0000 frame gun, especially the photo of the top lever, is that the top tang does not have the “bank note” style scroll engraving along its edges. And secondly the dolls head engraving is just crosshatch instead of scroll.

I don’t recall ever seeing scroll engraving on a Repro doll’s head. This is Kathy’s little Skeet Repro. It’s not a .410 though.

Maybe the scroll engraving there was on the BHE’s and A1-S…




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Yes Dean, the engraving of the doll's head on BHE and A-1 Special Parker Reproductions is indeed different from the cross-hatches as seen on the DHE-grade.

The first pic below is a 20ga. Parker Reproduction BHE on a 0-frame, it is Parker Repro B-grade throughout. You'll notice the Repro B-grade style engraved top lever, doll's head and barrel wedges.

The second pic below is the same gun shown previously in this thread, a 4/0-frame BHE .410 with DHE-style engraving, a BHE-style engraved top lever, BHE wood and DHE barrels.

EDIT: For comparison purposes the middle pic was added to show an original Parker Bros. 12ga. BHE.

Thanks Greg.





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I checked on my statement (# 50) this am & I wa wrong, the pictured frames are the same size.

Thanks Allan. Refer to post #42. McCormack and I had a display at Baltimore a few years ago where 00, 000, and 0000 frame .410s in grades up to A-1 Special as I recall, were displayed. However, I never measured the pin separation until Geoffroy bared a 0000 frame gun for me at Allentown years ago. I had a preproduction BHE .410 in my hands thanks to Repro rep Ray Stone, but I'm not entirely sure that gun had the same pin separation as a production 0000 frame, and anyhow, I didn't measure it. OK, the truth is in courtesy of Allan, 13/16" separation on the 0000 .410.