In your post are you referring to the Parker Reproduction 32” BHE Sporting Clays shotgun (not an SCC model) on pg. 3? If so, neither G&D nor I described the barrels as you quoted as having “Parker Reproduction 32” barrels.”

G&D described them as “Made with 32” steel barrels that have plain concave top rib with small brass front bead.” After contacting Josh L. to get clarification on the barrels and choke tubes I described them as: “The gun was made up with 32” non-original Parker Reproduction barrels having Briley choke tubes.”

I admit I could have been more clear with my description. At the time I was thinking “non-original” was enough that others would understand they were not original Parker Reproduction barrels.

The G&D description was as unclear as yours. "Assembled by Jack Skeuse" would create the assumption that the barrels were not only assembled by him but manufactured by his company. Doesn't make any difference now that it is in the hands of the new owner for a reasonable price.

You're the guy whose solution to every problem with guns, chokes, or ammunition is "Learn to shoot." You might consider adding "Learn to quote" as well as "Learn to post pics" to your repertoire. :bigbye:

A1S by ga?
 

Do we know how many of these were made?

https://robinhollow.com/guns-for-sal...n_id=102810825

Your linked RHO 20ga. A-1 Special is a factory engraved example and without a doubt a real beauty!

I believe the short answer to your question is no. Unless someone comes forward that has access to the remaining Parker Reproduction records and brings to light an exact number of A-1 Specials by gauge, we'll have to go with the production chart shown earlier in this thread and published in The Parker Story. That number is 150 A-1 Specials with factory engraving in all gauges (12, 20 and 20/16ga. combos) were built.

If one were to estimate and use the 3:1 ratio of 20 to 12 gauge DHE-Grade Parker Reproductions produced (certainly debatable if we can or can't) and there were ~150 total A-1s in all gauges, there's likely less than 100 20ga. factory engraved A-1s in existence. The linked RHO gun at #87 was probably near the end of the 20ga. A-1 Special factory engraved offerings.

A1S
 

Here is # 172 which is pretty much exactly like the RH gun.

This thread has become worthy of being , as the Jefferson Airplane said, "Knee Deep in the Hoopla."

Is #172 factory engraved? If so, it was reported that 150 factory engraved and 300 custom engraved A-1 Specials in all gauges were produced. Perhaps the factory and custom engraved guns were intermixed chronologically in production???

This is how we gain knowledge and learn.

Yes...it is.

It was purchased on 2/22/90 for $8,766.00

I slightly interesting bit of information is at the time they ran out of the reproduction oil bottles so it did not come with the gun and they were back ordered. They arrived in Sept 1990.

James

New to the Parker world....
what is a Parker reproduction? I saw an ad for one online and it appeared quite expensive

This link will take you to an article that David Trevallion wrote that appeared in SHOOTING SPORTSMAN MAGAZINE several years ago. This will be a good start on what a Parker Reproduction is:
https://shootingsportsman.com/parkerrepro/

beautiful article.
I'm intrigued by the mystique of Parker even more

David called me just yesterday for a chat. He’s 87 and still sharp as a tack !!






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Reproduction chart
 

I have been following this link from the beginning. It seems the idea has stalled.

I have wondered about all the "P" designation guns. I thought the term "prototype"would indicate that the model would have different specifications than others that followed. There appears to be a large number of Parker reproductions that are presented with the prototype designation. What would the differences be between the guns in the same gauge that would earn a gun the "prototype" designation?

Having a category of guns with the "P" designation, listing the differences between each, would be interesting.

Has the idea of the Parker Reproduction Chart idea been shelved? I certaintly hope not.

Thanks to all those that contribute their knowledge of all Parkers to the members.

Our Research Chairman, Chuck Bishop, has indicated that he wants no part in Parkers Reproduction research.





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Some Google Gemini AI research
 

So while having coffee this morning I thought I would let AI take a crack at estimating production numbers. I started by giving it the prompt to use the forum as primary source to estimate and then I refined the prompt to allow additional sources and finally asked it for a detailed research report. The results are interesting and the 12 page report has lots of information worthy of discussion in it. Even some information on the “P” guns which I believe I have a contradictory PM from Richard Skeuse on. Below is a link to the research report and the chart from it.

Great job Don!!

While I generally despise anything “AI” because we are inundated by the misuse of AI at every turn on the Internet, this report, though incomplete, provides a comprehensive tabulation of most facts we know about the Parker Reproduction by Winchester.

I find it odd that no mention is made of the 16 gauge barrel sets provided by Tony Galazan and that only 52 of the .410 barrel sets were produced when I have provided clear evidence of a serialized number 54.

All in all, thanks Don!





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Thanks Dean. As I mentioned here is the PM from Richard Skeuse regarding the “P” guns being “Personal” guns.

Hi Don, Thanks for your question. The P guns were Prototypes that were the first of many Parker Reproduction guns made. They were NOT for friends and famly. Your gun was sold to Cape Outfitters in Cape Girardeau,Mo.I hope this cleans up the "friends and family" mistery once and for all. Enjoy the gun and may we pass in the fields.

At least 52 BHE .410? Where are they?

I think it generated that number solely based upon the serial number observed according to the notes column. Not sure that there is a completely direct correlation between serial number and number produced in this case.

Thank you.

I read the information on the "P" guns and there appears to be two different camps. One says that the "P" designated guns were "Personal" guns to be gifted by the Skeuse's. This poster states he was told this by one of the Skeuse's. Another poster states he was told by one of the Skeuse's that the "P" designation was for the "Prototype" Parker Reproductions. Earlier I asked what variances qualified a Parker Reproduction to be designated a "P" gun? I did not receive an answer to that question. Having read the information on the 20/16 gauge sets ordered by the NSFL, and the 500 Krieghoff made barrels, I have other questions. I read that the NSFL sets with the 16 gauge barrels had the 16 gauge barrels numbered to the gun. These sets were manufactured with the normal serial number process. I take that to mean that those sets were numbered 1 through 1,000. That assumes that 1,000 sets were actually produced. Does any PGCA member have any documentation of the highest number set? Were the additional 500 barrels manufactured by Krieghoff serial numbered 1 through 500? Does anyone have a record of the highest serial number of the 500 16 gauge barrels? How would one know if a 16 gauge barrel set was one of the 500, or out of a broken set out of the 1,000, aside from a serial number higher than 500? Were there any 20/16 gauge sets produced other than those ordered by the NSFL? Interesting, confusing, and informative. Thanks to all for the information.

It’s unfortunate but it is a fact that there isn’t nearly (not even close) the factual documentation on Parker Reproduction production as we have at our disposal of original Parker Brothers guns. There are so many questions and the answers to these we will never know. There is scant little (known) documentation on the Repros that in most cases we can only make educated guesses.

I’m in the camp that believes the “P” guns were personally earmarked either to be used as gifts or specially ordered and deeply discounted by Jack Skeuse for good friends and relatives… or maybe for Presentation to those folks.

How could there have been “prototype” guns numbering into the hundreds? Wouldn’t, by the mere definition of the word, such “prototypes” be limited to just a handful of examples??

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Although William, this post doesn’t answer your specific questions regarding the NSFL guns, it nonetheless is an interesting 4-page letter written by the president of the NSFL, Jim Rikhoff, to the members of the NSFL. Make of it what you want.

I have a "P" 20/16 GA three (3) barrel set P-00415. It has 1 set of 20 GA barrels and 2 Krieghoff 16 GA Barrels all with a Parker Repro 3 barrel case and cover. All barrels are numbered to the 20 GA receiver. The Krieghoff 16 barrels have two (2) additional number stampings, the date produced and the set number. The Q1/Q2 barrels were made on 12/95 and stamped #505. The Mod/Full barrels were made on 10/94 and numbered 399.
Bob Jurewicz

Bob, if I've never told you before how great I think you are, how cool you are, how wonderful you are, how good looking you are (even though I've never seen you), how nice you are, and how in general - just over the top you are; then let me just say it now. Now I don't want you to think I'm trying to butter you up in the event you may cosider selling that three barrel set and me being the very first one you contact. Not at all. I just think it's time to tell you how I really think about you. May I call you Dad? :bowdown:

My list of adoptees is ever growing.
:bigbye:

Your last paragraph is the question I originally asked, worded somewhat differently. I did not understand how there could be so many Prototype guns with the same specifications. I thought that there might be subtle differences between the guns that I was unaware of. The poster that stated that one of the Skeuses told him that the "P" guns were prototypes has yet to chime in. Thank you Mr. Dean.

Thank you Mr. Greg.

Here is what Richard Skeuse replied to me regarding that question based on a label found in the case of my repro:

Hi Don. I have no idea where that label came from, however as I said previously I’m not sure how many P numbered Parker Reproductions were made. I can assure you that there were not 4-5. Numbers started at P 001 I assume but that information was lost in hurricane Floyd. You have the 420th or so that was made. That is all I can tell you about the gun. Thanks
Richard Skeuse is offline

https://parkerguns.org/forums/pictur...ictureid=13159

I believe all of the P guns are 20 gauges and that there are 500 of them.

One can read what Richard Skeuse had to say regarding the P-guns in posts #5 & #7 in this thread: https://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3468

The label is a reproduction of a British charge label that John Bugden filled out for his Repro. It has nothing to do with Repro production. John Bugden is a skilled craftsman and also a gun dealer.

Thank you Mr. Mills. That label in the case would have been great if from the Parker folks, still a nice bit of "case candy". Still a bit of mystery as to how many "P" guns were manufactured isn't there? What have we seen so far as the highest serial number of the original 20 gauge "P" (prototype) guns? Somewhere a little over 400 I believe. Do you, or anyone else, know if all the Parker "P" guns had the Parker Reproduction labels in the top of the case? I have a case that is sans the label.

So the label in Mr. Mills case states the gun was manufactured in 1982. Another bit of information that corrects what I thought. I was under the assumption that production of the guns started in 1985 and ended in 1989. Corrections appreciated.