One more for good measure!
 

Last one for the weekend.

From Leap Day, 1908 "American Field" magazine.

This is a testament to John Browning's design and function.

Double-gun reliability!

Will

Well not a Remington Model 11 but I won a Pre War Browning A-5 standardweight 16 gauge A-5 with a 28" plain full choke barrel for use at the Koneski Extraveganza next year !

I'm thinking it might be nice to have two or three classes by gauge perhaps :whistle:

Heikes and some other 'Top Guns' with his Remington Autoloading Shotgun in Sporting Life, March 8, 1913
Gilbert and Crosby were both using Parkers

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I recieved the copy of Dick Baldwins book “The Road to Yesterday” today . Bought it on Fleabay . From leafing thru looking at the pictures saw more than a few Parker doubles and SBT’s . Also saw a few Remington 32’s !

The gun held by Tom Marshall is probably his Cashmore.

Road to Yesterday
 

Craig on page 163 it talks about a Model 3200 "One of a Thousand" Remington gave Catfish Hunter for doing some Advertising for them after hitting it big in New York.

Sorry to sidetrack your post Craig!

Will

Craig: you'll probably enjoy this thread
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads...ap-gun.231731/

Bought a Remington Model 11 today it’s 12 gauge . By the serial number according to my Remington buddy it was made in the 20’s . Gun has a 30” full choke vent rib barrel . I kinda doubt if the ribs original but who knows .

Only plain barrels were offered for the Remington Autoloading Shotgun in the 1905-06, both 1906 and the 1907 Remington Arms Co. catalogs. In the 1908 Remington Arms Co. the option of a solid rib for a list price of $7 extra was introduced. In the 1910 catalog the price of the solid rib was dropped to a list price of $6.75 and a ventilated rib was introduced for a list price of $13 extra.

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I have never seen a vent rib with the wide spacing of the rib supports shown in the 1910 catalog.

By the 1911-1912 Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co. catalog in which they began calling this John M. Browning designed gun the Model No. 11, the rib supports are shown much closer together.

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That is how they remained for the rest of production. Here in the 1923 Remington Arms Co., Inc, catalog.

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Early Vent Rib
 

"I have never seen a vent rib with the wide spacing of the rib supports shown in the 1910 catalog." - Dave Noreen

Great eye for detail Dave, I had never picked up on that though I have looked at it many times.

I have the earliest Vent Rib that I have run across on a RAS No. 3 (Trap Grade) SN 99,258 which puts it at the end of 1910 production by Jim Tipton's tabulations.

It has the same alternating cuts side to side as the later guns. It may have been there earliest attempts at the vent that did not have the alternating more supported milling.

Probably didn't take long for one to fall in a duck blind somewhere and break a section out like Vic Render's 31!

Or it could have been artistic license to highlight the ventilation early on by some slick Remington Advertising Manager! Lol

Back on Task CL!

Will

The Model 11 12 gauge 30” vent rib full choke showed up today .

Nice example of a vent rib Model 11. "The Remington Arms Union Metallic Ctg. Co., Inc." was the company name from mid-1916 to August 1920, when it became Remington Arms Co., Inc.

Craig-Nice looking model 11

Thank you sir ! I got it on GB and to be honest the metal looked a good deal better in person than in the sellers pictures . Wood has plenty bruises etc but overall I believe it to be in rather good mechanical shape .

bet she shoot s good lets us know...charlie

Love the "11" except for that "widow maker" maker safety. My 12ga has it. Glad my 20ga has a push button.

Picked up a barrel for the Model 11 from an auction in Texas I believe it was . Anyway it’s a plain no rib full choke barrel but 32” . A friend in the Remington Society seems to think that length is a bit harder to come by .

I've been looking for a 30" full choke ribbed barrel for my Grandad's 16 ga. for so many years I can't recall when I started. I inherited it after he died. It's exactly the way it was the last time he hunted it. I don't have the heart to restore it. Functions perfectly.

I may take it out and try it on doves later this season. I haven't shot it since he died in 1975.

Try corsonsbarrels.com. Looks like they have a lot of barrels for sale

The introduction of the JMB designed Remington Autoloading Shotgun in the 1905-06 Remington Arms Co. catalog showed only two barrel lengths, 28-inch plain barrel on the No. 1 "Standard" Grade to No. 6 "Premier" Grade and 20-inch for the No. 0 "Riot" Grade. By the 1906 catalogs the option of a 26-inch barrel was added to the No. 1 to 6. Those remained the lengths through the last The Remington Arms Union Metallic Cartridge Co., Inc. catalog in 1920. The first Remington Arms Co., Inc. catalog in late 1920 includes 30-inch barrels for the Model 11, but both the pump guns the Models 10 and 17 were offered with 26-, 28-, 30- & 32-inch barrels.

The big 1923 Remington Arms Co., Inc. again only offers 26- and 28-inch barrels for the Model 11 and includes the following --
"Our experiments show the Remington Autoloading Shotgun, fitted with the standard 28-inch full choke barrel shoots just as hard and just as close as any other type of shotgun. WE DO NOT FURNISH A LONGER BARREL THAN THIS."

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The Remington Shotguns pocket catalog, circa 1925, also only offers 26- and 28-inch barrels for the Model 11.

The 1929 Remington Arms Co. Inc. catalog that introduces the Model 11 with the new cross-bolt safety lists barrels in 26-, 28-, 30- & 32-inch.

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By the 1938 catalogs they give all the different barrel options --

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but by then they don't show 32-inch barrels for the 16- and 20-gauges.

Dave you are an unbelievable resource. Thanks

Thanks, John. I've been checking with Corson's, and with BarrelExchange.com, for years. I've never yet seen one offered. I will keep trying, though. BTW, is there a resource available whereby I could check the serial number of Grandad's gun for date of manufacture?

Cruse Ebay for model 11 barrels every few weeks. You never know what may pop up. In the last year or two I have gotten a few pretty nice and rare 11 barrels off there.

The 16-gauge was introduced in 1931. Model 11 16-gauge serial numbers began at 1500000, and 16-gauge The Sportsman serial numbers began at S200000. After a while they dropped the S and on September 28, 1937, they dropped the separate serial number sequence for the 16-gauge The Sportsman and from then to 1948 they were numbered together in the Model 11 serial numbers. I have always suspected dropping the separate serial number sequences for The Sportsman was the result of DuPont efficiency experts getting to Ilion.

If it was made before WW-II, we have the old factory ledger which would give the month the receiver with that serial number was put in work, and there should also be a date code on the barrel.

My late FIL shot a 12ga Model 11; he bought it from the estate of an uncle who was a very small man and he'd had the stock cut down to fit him. Jess never bothered to change it, but man, could he shoot it! I know what they say about the importance of gun fit, but...

My Father bought a 12-gauge 30-inch full The Sportsman for $35 in 1938 with his employee discount at Seattle Hardware. He always lamented the Parker in their window display which he said he could have bought for $100!! The Sportsman was his waterfowl gun until the early 1960s when he succumbed to Jack O'Connor's short barrel writings and had it whacked to 26-inch with a Poly-Choke. Within a year or two The Sportsman was gone and he had a 2-frame 30-inch VH 12-gauge as his waterfowl gun, which still resides in my gunroom.

In 2002 after I retired and was cleaning out our house in Seattle getting it ready to sell, I found the leather takedown case he made for The Sportsman, so I had to buy one to go in it!! Of course once I had the 12-gauge, I needed a 16- and 20-gauge.

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good storey and some really nice model 11 s....charlie

They are all The Sportsman --

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While 99% of the time I hunt with a double, on 27 October 2006 I took my 16-gauge, 26-inch, solid rib, improved cylinder, The Sportsman out and was presented with the perfect opportunity for a triple.

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Full disclosure, earlier that day I poked holes in the air three times around a single rooster!!

My 20-gauge is a 28-inch plain barrel modified. I got a 26-inch vent ribbed SKEET barrel for it from Destry. I consider it my Bob Stack memorial gun.

Dave,

Is that the late, great Skitso? Looking pretty protective over those birds.

Yes, that is her. Here she is watching me fish in Alaska in 2013 --

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Unfortunately, she felt obligated to get in the water and help land fish!!

Thanks you so much, Dave. I'll get it out tomorrow and check the serial number. "I'll be back........." :bigbye:

Just picked up a pair of Model 11’s on GB . The first was a Sportsman 20 gauge with the short tube and a 28” plain full choke barrel . The other also a Sportsman but a16 gauge with the full length magazine and a solid rib barrel that someone put a doggy dick on years ago . Think I have a plain full choke barrel lined up for the 16 . The A-5 16 I bought earlier will most likely go in the rack at the shop .

Bear in mind these are GB pictures and the guns obviousely are not in my hands yet .

First the 16 solid rib gun with the damn doggy dick on the end of the barrel . Then the 20 . By the pics the 16 seems to be in nicer condition . And again I blame Frank and Mike for my buying these things :rotf:

pretty nice shooting irons...charlie

Only if I can break targets with them :rotf::rotf::rotf:

you ll do fine a model 11 was my best shooting iron....charlie

With the two-shell magazine the gun is The Sportsman, with the four-shell magazine it is a Model 11. The 16-gauge is a Model 11, even says so on the left side of the receiver between the Remington TRADE MARK and the serial number --

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When The Sportsman was first introduced in 20-gauge (1930) and 16- & 12-gauges (1931) it came with a three-bird roll-stamping on each side of the receiver --

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The Model 11 A, B & C grades continued to be built with a plain receiver --

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In the middle of the 1930s they reduced the roll-stamping to one bird on each side of the receivers and started putting it on the Model 11 receivers as well as The Sportsman.

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I searched for decades for a mint 20 gauge Sportsman skeet with original beavertail, hard butt, and vent rib. I finally found one. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a Parsons market hunter's magazine in 20 gauge to go with my skeet gun.

Remington used to be a great gun company. My first "dream shotgun" was a 1983 Remington Model 1100 with a vent rib, 28" barrel and a modified choke. I shot many ducks, pheasants, grouse and woodcock with that gun and it is still my favorite in my gun safe. With warts and all.:) At one point I was going to have the gun totally refinished to make it "pretty" again. The smith I took it to do the work took one look at the gun and told me that if it was his he would keep it in its used condition and recall how it got there. I took his storied advise and am glad i did!

Bill you can just get a Model 11 20 with a skeet barrel and pull the plug out so you can shoot 5 times at them if you need it. (Just Kidding)

I don't think you'll ever find an extension for a Sportsman 20, 16, or 12ga. The forearm and Magazine bolt will prevent it.

Will