Cody called my Model 21 Skeet Gun "skeet grade" in the letter on it. No Winchester Catalog ever called them "skeet grade." They were the Model 21 Skeet Gun. In the early years the Model 21 Skeet Gun could be had in Tournament Grade, Trap Grade or Custom Built Grade. A few years in the Tournament Grade was dropped and for a few more years the Model 21 Skeet Gun could be had in Standard Grade, Trap Grade and Custom Built Grade. By the late 1930s the Trap Grade was dropped and from then on the Model 21 Skeet Gun was made in Standard Grade or Custom Built Grade (except for those few years it was Deluxe Grade).

My God..... Look at the current bid.... Crazy, or...

The barrels have a date code of BE (B = January, E = 1936) then there is a repair code of KF3 (K = May, F = 1937). Seems like every Skeet Gun barrel flat I see has repair codes.

Dean's gun seems to have been "reconditioned" according to an earlier post. In Remington files, there seem to be many late guns that were "reconditioned" or "completed" before being sent out to dealers.

Skeet being the hot new game, I’m sure most of them saw a LOT of use.

Yes, mine went back to Remington to be refurbished and not used a whole lot, apparently, since then.





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I’m not at all surprised and with 10 days to go I think it will go a lot higher.





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I would still be concerned that the Parker Identification book still list the stock as straight or what I call an English style stock.

If the gun is right(Haven't heard any comments on if the case and barrel bluing is original) then wouldn't it sell for way more that the $16000 its currently at?

Not unusual for the stock configuration to be in error in the book. I’ve had it happen twice so far

There's still 0 days to go until the auction ends...





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If the gun was a high condition, original Grade 2 skeet gun it would sell for well over 30k in my opinion. There are two or three grade 3 high condition 28 ga. skeet guns that I am aware of, one being priced in the high 40s and one priced about the same. A grade 3 28 gauge skeet sold at the last Morphy auction for over $50k plus the fee added to that which took it to 60k.

I think some don't realize that there were not many small bore skeet guns produced.

As for the stock, it may very well have been returned to Remington for the pistol grip stock since it does have Remington repair codes. The checkered butt pattern is correct for a Parker Remington skeet gun.

I think the guys who will be the last two bidders are watching this auction very closely. Nobody wants to pay too much but nobody wants to lose it for a measly hundred bucks either.





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Ten days to go.

Just what I've been looking for the last year-28ga. skeet(VHE or GHE) with checkered butt - pistol grip stock and high condition with 90% case. Just to many questions for me.

Guys who are bidding as high as they are must know something and have the confidence of their convictions - Jump right in John, the water's fine!





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Pop some Pop Corn-Pour an adult beverage of your choice and tune in to this auction just before the it hit's the 15 minute mark before it closes. Then be prepared to watch it for the next hour as two or three guys fight it out during the 15 minute rule on GB.

This one will go well north of 20k before the show is over.

John B. got it right when he said "Too many questions." At 20 grand, a Del Grego refinish would be a bargain. However, when you get into the high thirties or forties, you want to see the gun in person before you commit. At that point, you want the gun to be in original finish.
The poster who mentioned identifying bogus skeet in and skeet out markings did not apparently realize that most of the bogus skeet guns were stamped with original Parker stamps.

Did anybody notice the top lever being left of center? Why would a gun with this condition not be to the right of center. Even some well used guns will still hold their right of center position. Does this concern anybody else? I would also like for the seller to turn the pistol grip cap around the right way to make sure it lines up correctly.

Don’t think this one will reach those dollars Bill. John there was discussion recently on this forum about top lever positions. Some of our more knowledgeable members commented that it is not that great a concern with a Parker. I am like you though I like to see them right of center.

Here are the top levers of the highest condition two guns I have.

And here are same two showing Remington wood on VHE grade guns.

very nice....charlie

At one time I had a GHE 20 skeet gun. For the life of me I can't remember what it got traded/sold for.

Asked for more I. D. & choke restriction. Says he doesn't have mic's to measure. Too many of these old guns have been back bored and/or chokes modified. He states the chokes are I. C. & I. C. That's not Skeet In & Out. Unless you can inspect this one in person I'd pass; too much money to gamble. Even if he takes it back I'll bet you get stuck with shipping fees both ways.

For comparisons sake, here are a few pictures of a 12GA GHE skeet gun, it is listed in the serialization book with the straight grip.

Interesting that according to TPS, only 46 GHE 12GA skeet guns were produced and just over a 1000 in total .

Jeff, it is my belief that the example you show has been re-barreled in Ilion judging by the position of the serial number stamped on the left barrel flat. Had those barrels been fitted to the gun in Meriden the serial number would have been stamped on the left side of the lug.... and who knows what else may have been done to it on its visit to Ilion...?

Then again, the entire gun you picture as an example may have been assembled from Meriden parts after the move to Ilion in 1938... which would nullify my argument.

But I'm still not seeing a fair comparison.


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I agree with Dean that the serial number is a bit early for barrel flat serial number stamps, but I really don't know. I suspect that those stamps are Remington era. Of course, the first step is to find out whether that serial number is of the barrel length and option category to be an original skeet gun.

The serial number book as it listed with all the options

P2, H, 14, S, 12, 26.

It also letters as such

This is #237230 1935 mfg date.

attached are the flats of a GHE 12 I once owned, and a VHE 16 I own now. The GHE 12 only had IBM a record, but did sell through Abercrombie back in the day and I received full records from them as it being a Skeet gun. I have not sent in for info on the VHE 16, but I do not doubt it being an original skeet gun.

The letter on mine shows it was shipped to a (T.S) C.V Bracher. Research shows that he wasinvolved with Remington ammunition and had some patent letters ?

I have no doubt that mine is an original skeet.

I have no doubt of its originality either Jeff... My only question about it is the markings stamped on the flats in regard to year of production commonly seen stampings.





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Both of those pictures are angled to obscure the location of Remington era barrel date codes.

This is a better pic of the 16, looks to be a N and possibly a T or an I or maybe a 1? I’m not familiar with the Remington date codes. The 12 looks to be a o or 0 inside a square.

The N and the broken I are apparently some Remington inspector's marks. I can barely see one letter of the date code. Yellow arrow --

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Here is an example of a barrel flat with the N and broken I but a clear view of the date code.

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AE A = March E = 1936.

From my observations, while still in Meriden they put the date code for the barrels near the rear as above. After the move to Ilion they started putting the date code farther forward abreast the cocking hook.

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The 16 has a C F marked in that location. The best picture I could find of the 12 had what looks like an E B, possibly E R
Thanks for the info on where to look

CF would be C = May F = 1937
Neither EB or ER would be reasonable codes. E for the month equals October which is fine but B for the year is 1933 and R is 1924, both too early.

On the Remington Repair code tab, couldn't ER also be 1968 ?

Emailed the dealer through Gunbroker and he won't respond to my questions. Probably a good reason to pass on this gun. I think I can eventually do better but it might take awhile and I'm not one with alot of patience.

Sure, but by then Remington was out of the Parker repair business. Repair codes are a date code followed by a 3 and Remington stamped them all over, where ever they could find space on the barrel flats.