It was a small custom ammo outfit , they are no longer is business.
I just ran across a odd 10 ga load . https://www.ariaballisticengineering...e-P-p127503785

Thats 3 3/4oz , would love to see what pressure that generates haha .


The 0000 load was basically like this one but from a different outfit .
https://www.warwolfordnance.com/prod...ance-0075-3081


Theres quite a few small custom ammo stores now selling exotic ammo.

I dont currently own a 10 ga 3.5" gun but its interesting to see new ammo developed for it .

I dont have a desire to shoot a 3+oz load out of a 10lb gun either , I done that once .

Well I think I’ve got a goodly supply of nice new WIN hulls coming . Ordered a roll crimper tool for my drill press . I’m debating whether to get 50 or so new REM 8 hulls just for roll crimping .

The three ball molds from Tanner Molds in the UK showed up today . They’re been floating around in the USPS for the last two weeks . Kinda strange it took six days for them to be made taken to the UK post office and make the trip to Chicago then two weeks to get from Chicago to central VA .

A few results this afternoon . Maybe after dinner I’ll see how 000000 buck stack in SP-8 shotcups or without the petals . Same for the .775” roundball.

It looks kinda promising ! It appears I might be able to shot the six pellets of 000000 with the wad cup still attached . And it appears that the .775” roundball with either one or two 1/8” 12 gauge cards in the bottom of the shot cup might work as well .

Just loaded a few . Loaded two more of the 730 grain .775” slug with International Clays but this time I put two wraps of masking tape instead of just one to tighten it a skoosh more going thru the choke . Then I loaded two of the .775” roundball with two 1/8” 12 gauge cards under it in the shot cup also with International Clays . And finally I loaded two with 000000 buck also pushed with International Clays and buffered . Only put six of the pellets in the two shells .

I hope yourslugs pattern well for you I wanted my round ball loads to pattern well out to 50 yards but it seems 30 yards is my limit...my buckshot loads do ok out to 40 yards I aint shot any buckshot in my single barrel davenport yet it has some choke in it..i m hoping to be able to stretch it out to 50 yards..good luck....charlie

Well haven’t been to the range yet . But I shot the 000000 loads and the punkin ball loads in the side yard an hour ago . Amazingly they did relatively well that is the buck load atleast . The two punkin balls from the right barrel hit the box but not anywhere close to each other or the aiming point . The first is the two punkin balls , then right barrel buck and the last is the buck in the left .

I still wanna get to the range possibly Monday in the AM to test loads in a 6.5x54 MS so after dinner tonight I think I’ll load two punkin balls to try in the left barrel and maybe two more with 000000 buck .

I thought of this..maybe if we sight down the center of each barrel we might get better scores out of the slugs... my bore diameter is .842 my round ball diameter is .835 im going to try your tape method to see if I can get better accuracy out of my gun....I f I can get my gun to shoot out to 50 yards with good hits I will be satisfied with it...I m better with my slingshot than I am with my pumpkin ball loads....charlie

While you might be onto something I don’t think I’d remmember while hunting to sight down a particular barrel and besides they’re supposed to be regulated to cross at some point . I dunno if masking tape will work on roundballs I’ve only done that with slugs . I have however seen some roundballs Ross Seyfried had paper patched for a rifled 8 bore double .

I’d used up all the 000000 pellets so decided to cast today .Just finished casting enough of the 000000 balls for 10-12 rounds and seven of the .775” balls . My outdoor thermometer in the shade said 98 . Ran the weed eater around the house while I was waiting for the lead to liquify . Then goterdone as quick as possible !

The 000000 I cast the other day I decided to roll between two pieces of steel today to kinda round out the spruce area . So while at the shop today I rolled about half of what I cast . When I got home I loaded two rounds with International Clays and six pellets with buffer . And shortly I shot one from the right and one from the left at 30 yards . BOTH barrels tightened up the pattern noticeably although POI was a touch left of POA . When I got back in the house I loaded two more for Damage Control Tuesday evening !

poor little deer better not come for a snack tonite....your throwing some pretty tight patterns now.....charlie

Hopefully we’ll see Tuesday evening ! That was at thirty yards I have half a notion to try out to forty but hold a touch higher and a touch right .

I ordered the .775" roundball mold for punkin ball loads in the hammer 8 . The nammerless 8 I have has a slightly more open bore as it was made for buckshot or atleast the factory letter stated it was to shoot close with buckshot . SO I think I might order a pair of roundball molds from Tanner a .785" to try in the hammer gun and a .795" to try in the hammerless gun .

my slug mold is .835 my bores on the old parker lifter is .842...some body wacked off about 7 1/2 inches of her barrels they are 27 1/4 inch now...I ve got to get her shooting better only good for 30 yards now would like to get her shooting out to 40 yards I would be happy with that range....charlie

Ordered the .785" and a .795" just a couple minutes ago . Lets see if I get them in time to use in the early September antlerless season :whistle:

I aint had time to shoot my old 8 but soon real soon... I hope ypu get those slug loads shooting good....charlie

These are punkin (round) balls . I doubt I ever buy another slug mold , I have the one that’s to big for the chokes in my tens and I can patch it up enough to work inside my parameters . One of those molds comes from the maker then you send it to the hollow point guy to make a base plug . By the time it’s done you’ve got over $200 invested . I’ll just make do with the slugs I already have . These roundball molds from Tanner’s in the UK are about $45 each plus shipping .

The new punkin ball molds arrived in NYC yesterday now how long will it take to make the six hour trip to central Virginia ! I went out about an hour ago to try 000000 buck , .775” punkin balls and .775” slugs . Shot them all at 28 yards . Decided on 000000 buck for the right barrel and the slugs/punkin balls are about the same out the left barrel . First pic is buck second is slugs and the last is punkin balls .

Oh yes failed to mention these were shot in the slightly more open PH 8 rather than the tighter hammer gun .

I was looking at a 10 ga pumpkin ball/ tri ball load recently, somehow they stuffed three 1 1/8oz round balls into a 10 ga hull . Definitely more weight than I would want to fire out of a 10lb gun lol . I have some buckshot loads planned for the 8 gauge but ive been procrastinating on it .

looks like the pumpkin balls shot really well...deer would be down for the count if hit ....charlie

I suspect they’d be down inside thirty yards with any of the three .

I’m pleased and slightly surprised . Last year when the three molds I ordered from the UK arrived in this country they sat in Chicago for three weeks before they turned them loose . This year the pair came in country Sunday in NYC and were in my PO Box this morning . Three DAYS beats the heck out of three weeks :cool: Already cleaned them with gunscrubber and sooted with a match , might just cast a few tonight .

those molds look good...the round ball mold I have came from the uk...I heard the fellow I got mine from had passed on....I was really impressed how well these molds are made...charlie

These and the ones I purchased last year came from the company of the guy that passed . His wife and son take care of it now . As well as the .775” balls shot in my PH I’m thinking I might have wasted the $100 it cost me to get these two larger molds .

Craig, I've been studying the grain of the stock on that 8 ga. Years back, my friend/PGCA member brought this 8 ga down for all of us to shoot during one of our dove hunts. Both guns have identical fiddleback stocks. I know he sold his. Any chance of them being the same gun? It's a beautiful gun and quite the experience to shoot!

Chris, AZ

If you mean Mr. Phil that’s who I got the hammer gun from :cool: I’ve had possession of the brute a little over a year and I’ve had it at three or four places where most of the folks have never seen much less shot an 8 gauge and almost all had big eyes when I handed the gun to them . To be perfectly honest I’m finding I can shoot the slightly more open PH than I can the longer barreled hammer gun . The last targets were shot with the PH .

Picture of the hammer gun and the ever so slightly lighter PH . With that being said both are over 12 pounds .

I knew it, I never forget a gun Craig, especially one like that. I think Phil had 2 ounce loads of 7 1/2 that we were shooting dove with. It's not a gun you just throw up and shoot, that's for sure. No recoil at all. It's was a first for me, Dale and the late Dr. Spratling. I'll never forget that day. It's good knowing it remains in the PGCA family and has a good home!

Chris, AZ

I was shooting 1 1/2 ounce loads at first at sporting clays then I switched to 1 3/4 ounce loads . I do have a box of 2 ounce loads sitting in my 8 gauge stash at the moment I loaded with 7 1/2’s . Also loaded a couple boxes of 1 3/4 ounce 6’s to be used at a Pheasent tower shoot last season . Killed a couple roosters on the first peg and then I used a 12 gauge for most of the other shots . So at present I have a box of 1 3/4 6’s and two boxes with 4’s . Hopefully this season both my cannons can bowl a deer or two over . Be kinda neat to get one with buck one with punkin ball and one with a slug .

Yeah Chris I thinned the herd a little. I still have my WC Scott 8 gauge. Not sure if I brought that one out for a shoot.
For anyone wondering Dove and an 8 gauge?? These were Eurasian dove which are not considered Migratory birds. Pigeons are also fair game.
Actually when I worked with the AZ Game commission to get the 8 gauge approved for hunting in Arizona they approved it for all game except Bison and Migratory birds.

Friday I cast about twenty of the .795” ball , twenty of the .785” ball and ninety of the .415” balls . Think Tuesday I’ll load eight of the .785” balls and four of the .795” balls . The ninety .415” balls will give me enough for ten rounds of 000000 buck . If I have a modicum of success with the punkin balls in my pair of 8 gauge guns I might look into a couple round ball molds for a couple of my 10’s . Doubt I go any lower but one never knows .

I took both those 8 gauge guns to an informal private 5-Stand deal in Fredricksburg VA back a month or so ago as a friend had asked if I’d bring them along . And I had two hundred or so shells . Turns out my friend has an 8 gauge single hammer Jones underlever he’d never fired . So he shot his and seven or eight of the other eleven fellows there all fired an 8 for the first time . Was kinda neat watching folks that thought the guns would pound the heck out of them smile after the fact .

Loaded some of the .785” balls some of the .795” balls and some of the 000000/.415” as well . Both were shot at 30 yards with about a grain more of Universal Clays than I used in the previous loads . First was from the right barrel with 000000 the second was from the left barrel with two shots of the .795” balls . Also used the Italian Gulianni wads with the buckshot loads today .

very good patterns do you think the gudual wads helped....I have used them with buckshot in the 8 ga but could tell no difference...what do you think...charlie

Not really I think the only way they helped is being maybe 1/8” lower in the bottom of the shot cup and it seems to give a slightly better roll crimp . This time I also put a tiny bit of lubrication on the top edge of the hull before hitting it with the roll crimper in the drill press .

Loaded a few more today ! But cut back to the 40A bushing got Universal Clays rather than the 41 bushing I used the other day . I also used the older Remington Corrugated hulls . I’m finding just a minute bit of lubricant on the case Edgar turns out a far better roll crimp . Loaded four of the .785 and six of the .795 . Then when I did the 000000 I put ten pellets and 1 1/2 scoops buffer . Made five with ten pellets and one with eight pellets . The one with eight got 1/4” of 10 gauge nitro card in the shot cup with everything else staying the same . Maybe I can try a couple later this evening on paper .