Yes, the Cliff Green big gun is a 1/2 frame. The little gun is a 00 frame, if I remember correctly. They could have built the little gun on a 000 frame, since there are two known examples of 28 gauge 000 frame guns. Centerville, Maryland, Cliff Greens home town, was where one of my 20 gauge singles called home before I found it.

What do we think about the choke markings on Robert Johnson's great 1/2 frame gun? Also the numbers that are stamped under the choke markings?

I think all the stamps on the barrel flats are original Remington stamps but the 70 and 62 puzzle me too Bill.





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If I send off for a letter for my SN# 241883 1/2 frame 12g, what do you think it will say if anything?

There is precious little on Remington/Ilion era Parkers but you should first send a PM to Chuck Bishop, our Research Chairman and the guy who produces research letters from existing factory records to see if it mentions the frame size or anything else that might be of particular significance.





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Love the Marbles front sight. Certainly a 1/2 frame skeet gun with double triggers has to be pretty nearly unique. Does it have the grade, gauge and chamber length on the left side of the barrel lug?

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I am not familiar with Parker skeet guns whose choke markings are not SKEET IN and SKEET OUT. Is there a reference in The Parker Story for skeet guns choke marked only SKEET?

I order research letters for all of my Parkers for which information is available. You never know what you are going to get until you get the letter. Higher grades sometimes yield disappointingly little info and lower grades sometimes yield more than you expect.

Bill, this is all I found after a cursory look.

The stamps are in the correct spots and I don’t know why they differ from the customarily seen stamps, but I wouldn’t rule out their being Ilion factory stamps.
241883 is definitely a gun produced in Ilion.


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Do any of our posters own a Remington Parker with just SKEET stamped as a choke marking?

I have one Bill, a VHE 28 gauge verified Skeet gun by both Chuck and G&H records as such but it has no choke markings at all. But then, it was made in Meriden under Remington ownership.





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Robert, we have no records for this gun. Always go to the PGCA home page, click on "Research Letters", click on the red "Here" link and type in your S/N with no comas before sending away for a Research Letter. It will tell you if a letter can be written.

Dean, the gun you mention does not have the markings I asked about.

Bill, which “gun I mentioned”?





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These late Ilion Parkers have about as much to tell from their barrel flats as the little bit of IBM card info. Your gun's flats show a date code of RJ (blue) R = November J = 1940 and a repair code of OK3 (orange) O = July K = 1941.

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I have a theory, and that is all it is, that these guns with a repair code so soon after the build date indicates a gun taken fom inventory and modified in some way to fill an order.

The 70 and 62 are head scratchers!

Dean, I asked if anyone had a Parker with just "SKEET" for a choke stamping. You replied that you have a 28 gauge with NO choke markings. I am still waiting to hear if anyone has an original Parker with just "SKEET" as a choke marking.

Picked up this numbers matching LC Smith 12 gauge with 30” barrels the same day I acquired my Parker 12 on 1/2 frame. Both came from the same gentleman’s collection, though I don’t have his name yet. Working on tracking that down, especially since he was the original owner and had ordered the Parker himself.

I don’t know much about this LC Smith yet, but it seems very similar in feel and build. If anyone has insight into this model or knows more about the original owner, I’d appreciate it.

Your Parker DHE had a retail price of $195 plus $19 for the beavertail forearm in 1940, while a Field Grade L.C. Smith was a $49 gun at that time though I suspect yours is considerably older. I'm far from an L.C. Smith expert but I doubt that beavertail forearm wood was original to the gun.

We all have to admit "That is some beavertail".

Dean, what are the exact choke constrictions and bore measurements of your 28 gauge skeet gun? I also have a 28 skeet gun with no choke markings. The reason mine does not have a Skeet In and Skeet Out marking is probably because it is true cylinder bore and the skeet markings would be incorrect. I suspect the reason your 28 skeet does not have the In and Out marking would be that it is not choked Skeet In and Skeet Out, but some other combination.

Actually Bill, I’m moose hunting in northern Maine just east of the Allagash Wilderness Waterway and when I’m home next week I’ll measure the chokes again. But if memory serves me, the left barrel is like .007” and the right barrel is like .015” or numbers very close to those. It is a 1936 production gun.





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One of 86 known and added to the list.🤩 anyone have a new updated list.

Cool

FYI - just wanted to let everyone know that was following this gun here in this section. It is now posted in the forum - Parkers, Shotguns, Parker parts for sale.

For Sale/Trade: Parker DHE Model 12g on the 1/2 frame – Serial #241883

This Parker DHE is confirmed by letter as serial number 241883, one of only 86 known. It is all number‑matching and original, featuring:

• Double triggers
• Two ivory beads
• Beavertail forearm
• Skeleton butt plate
• 28” barrels
• Skeet/skeet chokes
• Weight: 7 lbs


To my knowledge, this is the only Parker DHE in existence with this exact configuration.

Some pictures are in my profile. The forum is not allowing me to upload further pictures (invalid file error). If you would like to see more, please email me directly and I will be glad to send them: RJohnsonSC@aol.com. Additional pictures can also be found in the General Discussion section here: Parker Guns Forum – General Discussion - Remington 1/2 Frame Parkers - page 4.


Given its rarity and originality, I am open to selling or potentially trading—particularly for other Parker DHE models in 20 & 16 gauges plus cash. To satisfy forum rules, my asking price is $60,000.00 or best offer.

Please feel free to contact me at your convenience to discuss further.

***The exclusive sale has now concluded. I appreciate the interest and participation shown during this period. With this chapter closed, I am opening the opportunity to our broader market. Thank you again for your consideration and respect throughout the process.***

Revised 12:19pm on 11/27/205

Sincerely,
Robert Johnson

Robert, if you post this gun for sale on the forum, forum rules dictate that you must also post a price with it.

Are there any forum rules about making NO comments about the item unless it is directly to buy the item?

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One... This forum is not for selling guns.
Two... you did post this as a duplicate in the proper "for sale" section.
Three, however, you are completely unrealistic and basically skirting the rules by putting that outlandish valuation on it and asking for offers. It is no different than posting no price and asking for offers, which is what you originally did.

You MUST certainly have some idea of the value of the gun. If so, then put an actual asking price on it. Have you actually spoke to any auction houses to get estimates? If so, and you are wanting to avoid paying fees, just base your asking price on the estimates. I can certainly understand not wanting to leave money on the table, but if you are really concerned about that, then send it to auction, then give the auction house 20% of the sale price.

Mr. Dudley, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I understand the importance of keeping posts in the proper sections, and I’ll be mindful of that as I revise my listing and keep it current.

On valuation, my perspective reflects both auction estimates and private sales. While opinions will differ, my intent was not to skirt rules but to continue the dialogue with members who had already expressed interest in the gun here.

I respect the role of auction houses and the fees they charge, yet I also believe there is room for transparent private transactions. My goal is simply to see the firearm placed with the right steward without its worth being overlooked.

I value candid input, even when expressed directly, and I’ll take your points under advisement as I move forward.

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Mr. Dudley, I’ve had the chance to look through some of the examples of your restocking work in your profile, and I have to say they are truly gorgeous pieces of art. The craftsmanship speaks for itself.

I was curious whether you ever take on LC Smith projects — specifically a 12‑gauge Field Grade. It’s a gun I’d like to see properly stewarded for the long term, and your work seems exactly the kind of artistry that could honor it.

Please PM me with any additional information for LC Smith stocks. Thanks

Good luck with that.

Wow Robert that must be a Unicorn Parker. Way too much traffic on the for sale section. Usually I see people laying theirs out or unzipping their cases for comparison . Must not be much out there . Thanks for sharing yours and giving everyone a shot at it here.