No. No filler in the wad just bismuth. Not sure if you mean like a card or something but no nothing. In fact it's a tight fit. I hand measured and loaded all six of the string. I think I may go up about 2 tenths on the powder. I'm going to call Keith tomorrow and see what he thinks... 1200 solid is what I was shooting for. We just guessed and tried to downsize the hodgdon load listed earlier in this thread.

Rick on the variance I gave you the majority. I got a 1136,1159,1174,1185,1185 and a 1192 fps. I figure I messed up on that real slow one. But I thought even factory loads will vary. Is that right ?? But I'm going to see about kicking it up about a half a grain. The variation on fps is 21 fps except the real slow one its 56. On pressure it's 5380 on that slow one and 6200 on the high one. And the high one wasn't even the fastest it was second. But they were all within 300psi except that real slow one. I must have mis read my scales. I need to figure out why the one is so far off. Any ideals anyone ??

TUWZ2M16GA is this the wad you are using ?

No it's 12 gauge

My bad it's Tuwz2m15. That's precision reloading a part number. If anyone has or gets any ballistic data on a 1 oz load with Longshot. Please share with me. Thanks

Gentlemen. I went to the range today and tried the 1 1/8 bismuth load. Shot 2 rounds of skeet. I wanted something to compare the recoil and blast to. So I took 2 boxes of my 24 gram lead shot skeet load. I took 2 holland and holland 2 1/2 inch light 12 gauge. I believe they are 15/16 oz shot with fiber wads and 2 of the bismuth loads. I shot about 10 rounds of 24dram. Then 2 h&h loads. The h&h have quite a bit more kick than my skeet loads. Same sharp Krispy kick for both. then shot about 20 more of the 24 gram skeet loads then 2 of the 1 1/8 longshot loads. It felt different. It was more of a push on my shoulder that a kick. It would compare to the h&h loads except not sharp maybe a little more. I was at the center station on the skeet range. It did a good job on the skeet as well. First time I heard my sterlingworth roar. Lol. That what it sounded like . I am hooked I going to make it work on a 1 oz load as soon as I get back from fishing. If any of you develop one before me share with me. I did. See you in the field

Kirk, so the final load spec's are: Cheddite 2.5 hull, Cheddite primer, Precision Tuwz2m15 wad, 25.0 grains of Long Shot, 1&1/8th oz. of Bismuth shot, no buffer for average 1180 fps @ 6200 psi? Is this with a roll or fold crimp? Sounds like a very useful load for vintage short chamber guns. Thank's for the work up and having it tested.

Yes. That's it Eric. The average velocity is 1171 and pressure is 5880. But that one that I guess I under charged brought the pressure down a bit. I spoke to Keith at precision. He said it worked well that he wouldn't hesitate to shoot that load He told me if I wanted to bump it up to a solid 1200 fps to go up 1/2 a grain. He said it should only up the pressure about 300 psi. I only shot 2 rounds because it's expensive to shoot at skeet, just so you will know the pressures registered where 5380 for that slow one. 5700,5750,6120,6130 and 6200. I loaded 2 boxes last night. I put them anywhere from 25gn to 25.3. They were six star crimp. I guess that's how you say it. Anyway hope this works well for all. Let me know how you liked it.

Are you sure you're loading 1-1/8 ounce of bismuth in that 2-1/2" hull? Bismuth is only about 80% as dense as lead, so a 1-1/8 ounce lead charge bar will drop about 7/8 ounce bismuth by weight.

Also that 1200 fps muzzle velocity with bismuth will slow down much more rapidly than lead shot at that muzzle speed (with the same diameter pellets). Thus the bismuth penetration and killing power will be comparatively less at any distance beyond just a few feet from the muzzle.

Yes it's 1 1/8 oz. I hand weighted the powder and shot. It fits perfect. It took me a couple hrs to load a couple boxes Lat night. I put #4 shot in them. It's a good fit with those wads.

Longshot will reach speeds of 1450 fps from what I hear. Have it as fast as you want it.

Just wondering has anyone else tried the load on this thread? If so how did it shoot for you????

your load?

not yet-

first we need duck season :whistle:

then we need water :crying:

then we need ducks :corn:

I've managed to build up a stock of bismuth and nice shot should we get any shooting

Hey reloading friends.
I thought I would tell You about my fishing trip last week. We left the hotel in la Paz , Baja California Sur about 4:45. We made the 45 minute trip over to in English " the sea of the dead " named that because there is an old cemetery there. It was day break and you could see the calm bay that leads out to the Sea of Cortez. myself , Steve and the captain Efrain boarded a small boat called a Panga. About 22 or 24ft, narrow boat with no luxuries only a 2 way radio and ice chest and tackle. I made it known Marlin was on my bucket list. That was all that mattered to me. As we exited the bay out to sea with about 10 other boats the sun began to come up over the horizon. Calm seas it was a beautiful day. We had squid aboard for bait but the captain said we need bait for Marlin. So we begin fishing for bait. It seems a fish called Bonita was easiest to come by. Steve landed about a 3 pounder and the captain took it off his hook only to put it on mine and told me to start fishing. I laugh now thinking about it because it seemed giant for bait. We fished till about 11 am catching various fish but still no Marlin when a call came in on the radio from his buddy in another boat. We reeled in our lines and headed their way. As we pulled up beside them the captain grabbed a bucket and began putting sea water in the front bow of the boat. His buddy netted 2 fish about 1 or 1 1/2 lbs each and he put them in the front of the boat. This was the bait we were wanting. once on the hook and in the water it only took about 3 minutes and the line was ripping of the reel. Omg. For about 30 minutes all I could do was hang on. We had to chase it in the boat to recover some line. You would think it was pretty close to the boat then it would jump out of the water about a city block away. Lol. What a site. After 30 minutes or so I told Steve it's your turn as my arms were about to fall off. He reeled till he couldn't anymore then Efrain the captain took his turn. Around and around we took our turns reeling in and watching him run away. The strength this fish has is unbelievable. After about 2 hours of chasing and reeling I began to wonder if I really wanted a Marlin lol. We decided not to quit as we looked around and all the other boats had gone in. We knew that 2 other groups were waiting for us to make the 45 min trip back to the hotel. We began to really tighten up on the drag of the reel over the next 2 hours to wear the fish down. After the 4th hour we had the drag as tight as it would go. You couldnt even pull the fishing pole up from the rail of the boat and yet this monster was still not giving up. It continued to peel off line. After 4hrs and 20 minutes several blisters all over my hands, arms cramped up , burnt up with no strength left I told him to cut the line. Lol I was whooped. Steve gave up about a hour and a half before and was laying in the front of the boat. This fish won. Efrain said it would be at the least 450 lbs and probably more. I would have never dreamed these fish have so much power. I would have to compare it to trying to bring home a totally wild buffalo with nothing but a rope. Wow. We never landed it but had it right beside the boat several times. Woke up this morning. My arms would even open up all the way. Back sore, hands sore, blisters. Lol. I am writing that on off my bucket list lol. What a fishing trip. I told Efrain God was going to give me a Marlin. Be careful what you ask God for. Lol. A day I will never forget.

I know what you mean Rick. My first hunt is Nov. 15th....We have had a lot of fronts blow thru...should be ducks...we will see

Rick....yes I guess you could say its my load :)... I am finally published...lol Has anyone tried this load yet....I think its great. Not sure about cold weather effects , but would like to hear. I'm in texas....not to cold here

Gentlemen. Finally got to hunt with the longshot/bismuth load. I thought I would give you a report. Went to a 40 aced lake here in Texas on public land. As we pulled up we saw flashlight shining on the north side of the lake. We got out and watched as 4 guys were busy putting out a spread. This meant only one thing, we were going to have to hunt with the north wind in our faces. We decided we weren't going to be denied as we put out or decoys. Any ducks coming into our decoys had to drop over the tall oaks behind us to either land in a small area behind the decoys or out infront of them. The only other option was to go to the decoys across the lake and land into the calm waters on the north bank. Not really the start I wanted. I had assumed since it was Tuesday we would have the lake to ourselves. As we sat with the wind and mist in our faces about 6 ducks came over the lake, circled a couple times and yes headed towards the other guys decoys. Sounded like 30 rounds went off as the ducks scattered and started climbing heading straight for us . Although they were kind of high and moving fast I drew down on one and let my Fox roar. Longshot is supposed to be a real slow burning and has mild recoil at these velocities and sound great . Like a rock that mallard crashed through those tall oaks. Stone dead. Great load. Happy hunting. See you there next Tuesday

Just curious. Did anyone else besides me shoot this load. Would like your input. Being new to shotshells reloading someone may have noticed things about it that maybe you improved on. Not sure. Anyone???

Really !!! Out of 4k people that viewed this load....none tried it ???

Kirk,
I happened upon your Bismuth load and it looks like a good one. I may try this recipe with roll crimped loads. I like roll crimping shorter loads, then I don't have to mess resetting the reloader for crimping.