Scroll back to the beginning of the thread, Eric and Paul, for differences of opinion about Canadian guns laws, assault rifles and hoarding for the apocalypse---and unfailing mutual respect for each other. It was you who apologized to the moderator for your remarks, Eric, and pledged to see things differently if I could prove you were wrong, which I did. I have contributed information here for 23 years and corresponded privately over a wide range of members' interests without an accusation of being a troll. And you describe yourself as the victim. Grade school stuff, eh?

King, many of us feel very strongly about our 2nd Amendment rights. Especially the part " the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” It's worked for around 250 years and we don't see any reason to change it now. And we don't like progressives trying to chip away at our rights till they get what they want - NO GUNS. As said before, you have no dog in this fight, so the POLITE thing to do is not say anything. You're a Canadian, not an American, so it's not really any of your business. Thank you, I'm done.

Paul
Thank you. very well said!
David

"Tempt not a desperate man"

- Wm. Shakespeare

Paul, the Second is an enduring debate which I have followed for decades as a student of Canadian and US constitutional law---and my father as lecturer long before me. It's a divisive and emotional issue in your country with municipal, state and federal governance making of it as they see it. A couple Supreme Court appointments could change it either way. All active interests, from one point or another, are "chipping way" at the Amendment. To that extent it's not a sacred, inviolable document to originalists or those who believe otherwise.

Americans feel strongly about it, as you say. They express their feelings here. Without scrolling back "Here we go again", I don't think I mentioned the Second although I not only have a right but a perfect right to respond as I do on international board that makes a point of welcoming participation. It comes as no surprise to me at this particular US political juncture that a tiny rump of members wants a gag order, another wall, for Parker adherents beyond their borders. Countries that tried it ended in ordure and decay.

The opprobrium attached to the once world-popular term of Ugly American disappeared decades ago. There's nothing ugly about Americans. Their country is favourite after my own. Rudeness has no place on this board. I'm done, too. Kind regards, King

Gentlemen,

As entertaining as this thread is I want everyone to back off a few notches. This thread become a political discussion which of course became heated. That is why political discussions are not allowed on this PGCA site.

Per the original subject of this thread, yes, I am a hoarder. In the words of Robert Leckie responding to Eugene Sledge's question of what higher power he believed in, "I believe in ammunition".

Have nice day!
Mark the Moderator

You're right Mark, lots of ammo for my AR.:) Those 30 round mags eat it up in a hurry.:bigbye:

The problem is not that King Brown is Canadian, its that he disagrees. Thats why the zealots here want to silence him. Had he agreed with their position, he would be hailed and lauded.

No room for different opinions here. Right thinking only is permitted. Now where did I put my 20mm Vulcan Gatling cannon....

I'm not sure if you gentlemen know this or not, but the government doesn't know if you own a gun or not. Much less the type. For instance if the police find a weapon that was used in a crime but don't know who it belong to. They first have to contact the manufacturer and see what wholesaler it was sold to, then they have to contact the wholesaler and see what retailer it was sold to, then they have to contact the retailer and see who they sold it to. Believe it or not its true. When you go to purchase a gun they run a criminal background check to see if your eligible or not......that's all. Research it you will find its so. And all retailers only have to keep the records of who bought what 20yrs. It also carries the same confidentiality status as your Federal Income Tax Return Statement.

See you in the field!!!!

P.S. That makes my Kimber MINE!!! lol

Not necessarily so. Here in MA a copy of the transfer of ownership form (gun registration form) including the make, capacity, and serial number is sent to the Criminal Recoeds Division and is kept on file indefinitely. This probably varies from state to state but the ATF and FBI can access these records any time they so desire, and if that isn't government gun registration, I don't know what is.





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Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. I ran this info by my son when I found it out and he said its as correct... He is a detective here in Texas and valedictorian of his academy..... Just had to say that cause it makes a dad proud.!!!

Also I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database....and none big enough to hold it all if there was. He claims there are about 300 to 350 million guns floating around. He did say that if they needed to trace a gun they had to do it as I stated above. In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.
He also said the end retailer had to keep the records for 20yrs. then they shred them. If they do keep one where you live. Come on down here to Texas....Lots of room, great hunting and fishing.....

That is good to know. Congratulations on your son!

Thanks...yeah I am proud of all 3 of my sons...as I'm sure everyone with a son or daughter is.


See you in the field!!!

Besides here in Texas it would be a mess if they tried to take peoples guns.....cause even the mailman is packing lol...There are little old ladies reloading magnum loads in their garages..... Going to the gun range is something else. If you can find parking.

Well. If the ATF said so...
That should end all the paranoia. Or Not:

ATF . . . .

Bruce, you could have done better than " zealot ". When it comes to the 2nd Amendment, I'll wear that title proudly. The guys at the club will get a kick out of that new title seeing how they have lots of different names for me, none that I can say here. And now I can say we finally agree on something - thank you for the compliment.

Well Kirk, a lot of things are against the law... like transmitting emails containing top secret information on a personal certain phone using a personal server with and then lying to the FBI about it.





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i expect Dean knows his facts- having lived and collected in Mass for - well at least a few years

he did not say it was a national database _ but a state one - the concept will spread

It certainly will, and when HC gets elected everyone better dive for cover....:eek: :crying: :banghead: It will be a hell of a lot more then a simple national database....!:cuss:

Amen, amen.

Yeah you never know what our government was, is & has done. He did say some cities do something different. But he didn't say anything about states but like I said come on to Texas. I don't know about anyone else but when the end comes. I'm going to be with the Lord. An I'm sure he can take care of me till that day !!! I like the George carlin ad. Lol. Have a great weekend guys.

I'm with Bruce on the 20mm spinner except I prefer it in the nose of an A10 and launching KE AP spent uranium; there is plenty of fireworks carried under wing to please me.

If only I had the money - I'd buy a tank and park it in the front yard - pointing toward the road.

Dean is correct. It is the same here in Ct. Any firearm transaction needs to get a authorization number from the State Police firearms unit. Then a form DPS-3 with all the info of buyer,seller and the firearm is sent to both the State PD and to the buyers local PD. This also now has to be done on private sales as well not just purchases at a FFL dealer.

As I understand it from this distance, Dean's right about data---in effect, registration---and all data is accessible to federal authorities, in effect a national database. Right?

While the US gun scene appears less restrictive than Canada's ---cc everywhere, footloose and fancy free--Canada's is significantly less onerous with sporting long-gun transactions.

Handguns are strictly regulated but in day-to-day buying and selling it's private business as long as each has passed a safety course and has possession and acquisition license.

Government doesn't know which guns I have, bought or sold. An earlier government introduced a registry but it was overturned with popular assent.

Another interesting thing here in Ct. Many but not all PDs when they run a license plate it will show if that person has a pistol permit. They can also check what firearms they own because the DPS-3 where sent to them.
Last week a customer of ours was pulled over( tail light out) and when the Police Officer approached the vehicle and asked for his license and registration he remarked that our customer owned alot of firearms. Our customer a gentleman in his 70s replied that yes he does and that he is very active in cowboy action shooting and asked the officer if he ever wanted to join him he was welcome. The Cowboy action shooting ( rifle,shotgun and revolver) got me thinking about 3-gun ( AR type rifle,shotgun and pistol) and how similar they are. But I can easily see how some who have posted here would be accepting of the cowboy action shooting(they posted pictures of the pretty SAs they own) but would turn there nose up at 3-gun. To bad we are divided as gun owners. And some can't see the similarities. The firearms I like are the ones with triggers. I like some ( old shotguns) better than others but I surely don't look down my nose at you if your firearm hobby is different than mine.

I guess it is different state to state on registration for fire arms. Also a cop here can run your vehicle tags and know if you have a chl or not. Don't think he knows what you own though. Texas is pretty tuff on standing up for rights like gun laws. As a matter of fact Texas is suing the government over this gender bathroom stuff in schools. I will be the first to admit it's getting real squirrelly in some places. On a different note. Should I reload bismuth , Itx or nice shot. For ducks with my old sterlingworth ??? What do u guys think about which is best the duck hunting will be on stock ponds over decoys. Thanks

Ps. I guarantee the government has done things that nobody knows about. Just a thought.

Kent is producing bismuth now. Supposed to be a decent population of ducks this year

Tragically all my guns were lost in an offshore boat accident.:shock:

That's too bad. What were all your guns doing in a boat ? I own over 50 guns and don't think they've ever been in one place [ like a boat ] at one time.

Paul you never know, What I mean is 10 ga, 12, and 16 ga for ducks and geese, and then you have 20 ga for teal and then you have 28 ga and 410 ga for shore birds that someitimes they fly off course.... And you have to have a high power rifle to protect you and your shipmates from shark attacks.. different calibers for the size of the shark....:shock: Yep that pretty much covers the group....:rolleyes: Next question....:rotf: If the boat goes down so do all of my guns......so sad !

Must've been a big boat

Yes it was. My corporate yacht the SS Minnow. I did manage to save Ginger though.

What about Mary Ann ! :eek:

I bet you'd let Mrs Howell drown while saving Ginger:whistle:

Let her hold on to that long barrel 20 gauge as he helped Ginger....!:eek: