Bills"Gold Hearts gun"

Fred was wondering how the two Ithaca's would look together so here they are. Click and click again on the picture to enlarge it.

Fred's is the straight grip 28 ga. grade-2 Flues.

Mine, or rather, Kathy's is the pistol grip 20 ga. grade 2 NIG.

Both have Krupp Fluid Steel barrels and both are 24" original length.

The 20 ga. PG NIG is ser. no. 195011 and was made in 1910 with 24" barrels.

The 28 ga. SG Flues is ser. no. 216165 and was made in 1911 with 24" barrels.





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Wow, that is just what I wanted to see.
What a pair! Almost hate to break it up.
This is going to be a looong week......:eek:

Dean have you measured either of them? LOP, DAC, DAH?

Fred, I gave your DAC and DAH measurements in my first post and your LOP is 13 3/4".

My LOP is 14 1/4" even though mine was ordered for a lady.

The DAC of mine is 1 13/16" and the DAH is 3 3/16".

If yours isn't long enough for you the butt plate can be easily removed and a period correct pad can be installed without altering the butt at all except for a couple of screw holes if the screws for the pad don't line up with the original screw holes. And, of course you'll save the original butt plate.

Does anyone know what a period correct pad would be for this 1911 Ithaca?... Researcher?

lots of discussion on that topic here

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/...797#Post395797

Thanks Rick. The focus of that thread was a 1923 Ithaca Grade 2 Flues but there is a little information on earlier pads.

Congratulations to both of you on finding these guns. The 28 has about the thinnest breech balls I think I've ever seen. Those are "carry all day guns".

The New Ithaca Gun (NIG) was the Ithaca hammer gun, built concurrently with and serial numbered along with the Crass, Lewis, Minier and early Flues hammerless guns. Both guns in those pictures are Flues Models. The NIG was only offered in 10-, 12- and 16-gauge, though I have heard rumors of 20-gauge NIGs.

Thanks Dave -

Both models' serial numbers run concurrently and I had presumed that because of the difference in frame sculpting that Fred's was a Flues and mine, being obviously different, was the NIG.
Thanks for the explanation. Any thoughts as to why the two very different frame sculpting styles existed in the same model, one being a 1910 production and the other being a 1911 production?

There are at least three different frame profiling styles in Ithaca Flues Model doubles. There was one like this as well as the two pictured above --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...uesprofile.jpg

Like the early and late Parker Bros. hammerless profiling and the press fit or screw slot pin to secure the roll.

Once again Dave - Thank You for that information.

There seems to be at least three variations of Ithaca Flues Model frame profiling.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4rightfull.jpg

Likewise some have a screw in the top-lever attaching it to the spindle and some have the top-lever and spindle forged in one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...rwithscrew.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...Leversolid.jpg

Kinda like there are two different Parker Bros. hammerless receiver profiles and there are press-fit pins holding the roll and those with the slotted head screw two-piece pin to hold the roll.

Amazing the difference in stylish appearance of the press-pin top lever style versus the screw design. I can hardly stomach those of a Baker - a beautiful gun until you look at that hideous top lever design.