Re: the shell box warning

A.P. Curtis published the second of a two part article entitled “Advantages of Short Shotgun Chambers” in the March 1938 American Rifleman (Courtesy of Larry Brown) which dates the warning.
SAAMI, assembled in serious conference on March 26, 1937, passed the following resolution: “That an appropriate warning label be placed on all boxes containing smokeless powder shells, cautioning the consumer against using them in short chambered guns and also in guns with Damascus barrels and guns not in first-class condition.”

More here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...hIiY62Hx4/edit

and "Damascus Mythology & Reality" in the recent Summer issue of Double Gun Journal. The Fall and Winter issues will contain a 2 part Failure Analysis and Metallurgical Study of a damascus barrel burst, which will refute pattern welded barrel...confusion.

And the Beat Goes On.....





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I had never noticed that warning before Dean. Checked my most recent boxes and sure enough its on there...

Its all about liability. Things would sooo much better if lawyers were never invented....

Sorry George.... :duck:




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Explanation:
I'm sure many of you are all too familiar with these two words:

"Liability"

"Lawyer"

Please notice that I have not included the words "reality" or "truth."
Enough said?

And a bleeding heart liberal is all about gun control until he needs one.

Oops... Apologies to John too.

It it surprising how many antis own or carry a gun.





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wheres Grace?


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How true that is. When I was a kid, we had a hammer Jannsen Sons & Co. that my dad said we must never shoot. Laminated barrels. I still have that gun (completely dismantled now) and after I get it all back together I will take it afield one day. I did get a nice damascus GHE that, after reading this forum years ago, I decided I'm going to give it a go. I was truly nervous about pulling the trigger but managed a few shots. The only fatality suffered was by a couple nice roosters. I have shot damascus now for several years, including Parkers and some English guns (oops does that make this an off-topic post?)

http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture...pictureid=1764http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture...pictureid=1765

Your post reminds me of something I've mentioned before:

My friend Kirk Merrington has a drawer in his shop with about a dozen failed shotgun barrels that he's saved from customer work. ALL of them with blown out chunks and catastrophic failures are fluid steel barrels. The composite barrels that have failed mostly bulge or split in minor ways. What's more, English proof houses have always considered "Damascus" barrels fully on par with fluid steel for proof testing.

Thus, a barrel's condition and wall thickness dictates safety. Not the material it's made from.

This may not make you feel any better, but it's the truth.

Here's Grace.... :smiley7:

The first is from last October when she had a big part in Danny Suponski shooting his first ruffed grouse.

The other two were taken at the request of Twombly Setters (Coronation Kennels) in Vermont where I got Grace.

Recently X-ray'd - OFA hips GOOD - OFA elbows NORMAL




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Love that pup!!!!!!!!!!!

The key is wall thickness.I personally have shot 11/2 oz magnums in a damascus barreled DH before with no problem.However,the average wall thickness was .045" with no pitting. Have any damascus gun checked out by a competent gunsmith.It is money well spent.

John: I believe you mean MINIMUM wall thickness.

I favor as MWT for pattern welded barrels:
End of chamber - .105"
Forcing cone - .100"
9" from breech - .040"
9" from muzzle - .025"

Factory original 20 and 16 gauge small frame guns with Damascus barrels however may have a wall thickness of .090” at the end of the chamber, and less than .020” in the distal third of the barrel, making it critical to use loads that match the ballistics of those originally intended for use in the gun.

More information
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...vwLYc-kGA/edit