Dean, I have not heard a word about the over/under venture in a few years. I,m not sure they are doing anything at all. The name of the company was "Parker Brothers Makers"

Thanks Dave - I hadn't heard anything lately either.

So apparently they didn't even own the name "Parker Brothers". Seems there was a problem with Remington about that, if I remember correctly...

The "Parkerbrothersmakers.com" website is still up. Take a look. Kevin McCormack and I and others inspected the new over under at one of the last Vintage Cup shoots at Millbrook, New York. Kevin shot the gun, I did not. There is probably some comment on this forum about the gun if you feel like juggling the search function. The Parker Brothers Makers over under will never be considered a real Parker. The gun is made in competition format. Kevin, I, and the makers had an extended chat over the gun. I offered to take the gun on the Mid Atlantic NSSA and NSCA circuit, but I never heard from them and never saw the gun being displayed at a competitive shoot. That Vintage Cup was the last time I saw the gun.

Well, I think The Charles Parker Co. Retained the rights to the "Parker Brothers" name back in 1934. That is why Remington used the name "Parker".
Who knows what exactly happened to the Parker Brothers name over time since the CPCo. Is gone now.
The O/U are technically "Parker Bros. Makers"
I can't figure out how anyone thought the O/U venture was a good (or catchy) idea...
There is a 2012 price list on their website. $99,000 for an A1S !! The Galazan Parker sounds good!

Bill, I think your right. I believe the last time I saw the Parker Brothers Makers gun was Sandanona. In fact I was right around the corner today from Sandanona at Safari Outfitters.

Picking up a late Christmas present for me, were ya'?:)

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Robin Hollow has this 28 ga http://www.robinhollow.com/gunpages/121313026.htm for sale. Is this one of the CSMC 28 ga guns?

Ken

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Russ,

Thanks...I corrected my link.

Ken

Ken, that is a good question. Maybe someone will call up Uncle Bill and ask him. The serial number would indicate a continuation of Parker numbers. Nice gun.

It appears to be one of the CSMC Parkers comissioned by Remington beginning in 2006, not one of the three (?) Revival Parkers by Remington in the eighties.

Yup, that's what Ken suggested. Thanks, Ken, for ferretting out that gun. A little pricey compared to what some of these have reputedly sold for. But what a piece of wood.

And.... a 16 1/4" LOP. Wonder if it was a special order for a big shooter?

I wonder if its an upgrade.

It's not an upgrade Rich.

My mistake I was thinking of the one Robin Hollow has. To many high grade small bore out there to keep traack of:)

The RHO AAHE 28 is the one I meant was not an upgrade.

IMHO then 40K for that gun isn't unreasonable. I'm glad I'm not in the market for a high grade small bore:rotf:

For those interested in the Parker Reintroduction AHE by Remington at $20K in 1991, 2001 and 2005 and as a comparison, the Parker AAHE by CSMC at $49K begun in 2006 please refer to Parker Pages, Volume 12, Issue 4 on pages 6 and 38. ((The serial number of the CSMC AAHE shown is P242510)). There you'll find the whole of both stories and even mention of the "P" serial prefix for the 2006 and later CSMC AAHE's.

I know of two of the 80 Remington Parker's one a A1S the other AAHE. Both in private collections. They are a continuum of Parker line.

80?

Made for Remington execs in 80's

Art has never shown us his.... :crying:

We brought both guns to vintageers in Maryland a few years ago. There was a piece on it and Parker pages.

Parker Pages Volume 12, Issue 4, pgs. 6 and 38.

I was there and saw those guns - very nice!

I saw at least one outside the PGCA tent at the Vintagers. I saw dozens of them at Ilion in 1998 and 1990. I have pictures of them, including a couple of pictures of me, holding them. I wonder if they're still there.

Ten years later, I'm still wondering whether they are still there. They were in the Archives with the records. They were in wooden boxes from Kolar Arms. This was when Don Mainland was still at Kolar.

Actually, we have seen Art's on display in the Peterson Collection at the NRA Museum.

I have a picture of two of them in a glass display case but the pics aren't good enough to see any close-up detail.





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Art is lucky his isn't in the basement storage area at Oakton, never to be seen again.

Art donated the guns, he didn’t loan them, so I think it is we who are the lucky ones that they’re on display to the public.





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Anyone know what happened to the museum guns that were at Ilion?

More important and numerous than the museum guns are the R&D collection guns.

Bill, forgive my ignorance, what are the R&D Collection guns?





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Research & Developement

I kinda thought that Edgar but I wondered if Bill had something else in mind.





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Edgar gave the right answer. The R&D room at Ilion houses thousands of guns, from all makers. I could have spent days in there. It is dark in there so bring flashlights if you ever get an invitation. I suspect this collection and the museum collection are being looted and have been for some time.

The story that I got was that the museum and R&D collections were packed and in storage awaiting the completion of the new factory and will eventually end up there.

Let's hope so.

Thanks Edgar and Bill. That’s enlightening. And thanks Alfred - we can only hope so.





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Thank you. It is a shame that the politicians chased Remington out of the state with their bullshit.
Took many trips down the Thruway past Herkimer late at night, always looked forward to seeing the factory lit up like a beacon of hope!
Now just a reminder of how the politicians are screwing us in New York.