Bruce: I should be a member. Not sure why I'm not showing up. I paid my dues-I swear!!!!

The Sharps I owned was actually owned by Cody's neighbor. He had a ranch next to Cody's on the North Platte River. It was his gun, not Cody's. I bought it from his grandson many years ago now. This fella had such beatiful handwriting that Cody had him do all the invitations for Cody's daughters wedding. Interesting side bit. He went on the Czar's hunt with Cody. I guess they were hunting buddies so to speak.
That old gun must have killed a lot of buffalo cause, while it looked pretty good, it was sure worn out. It was that slight Cody connection that caused me not even to try to fix the problem with the headspace and, of course, it bought a perm. price just cause it had a real Cody story to go with it. It was a neat gun. Wish I hadn't sold it now but I don't like owning a gun I can't shoot!

Bruce,

Who cares if the gun is redone...... it is a real gem......... 90 percent of the Parkers have had some work done to them. And when your talking small bore graded Parkers I'll take everyone i can get from no case color to delgrego redone. Delgrego It the next best thing as Parker of Galazan rebuilding a gun. The funny thing is a redone Muscle cars / exotic cars if redone correctly it does not hurt the value.

Jack, lightly struck patent lines on Parker water tables are not a sign of a refinish. Water tables rarely need more than a light touch in the refinishing process and faint patent lines are often seen.

Bruce,
If you are going to continue to address my statements in an earlier post then I would ask that you please restore your original post to which I made the statements. Please don't alter it, just put it back. As I said earlier;

1. I like the pictures
2. I think it is restored gun
3. I think your original post was just a for sale ad minus the "buy it now botton".

It's just my opinion , but I left it there regardless of if people agreed with it. I did not delete anything and then re-post something different. So please put the original post back.

Patrick

See your post #10 in which you quote the entirety of my text that preceeded photos I posted. I have no ability to restore deleted text with the forum program.

Patrick: I'm a newbie interested in learning as much as I can (and I have a lot to learn). What do you see in the photos that leads you to the conclusion it is restored?

I think that Mr Lein's post may well affect the price of the gun in a negative way, in the same but opposite way that it seemed that Mr Day's post may have affected the price of the gun.

Tim

Tim - That depends on who is buying. A relative newbie with relatively thin wallet would say, "Nice gun, but it is very likely I can't afford it." And think nothing more of it. A relative newbie with fat wallet might jump on a gun like that without looking closely because he would not want it to get away from him. This is probably what has happened in this case. Bruce offered no endorsement of the gun, he simply presented it for our observation. I'd love to own a gun like that, regardless of whether it's been worked on or not. It's beautiful, but speculation drove its price way up. The first guy to flip that gun did OK. Now that the music has stopped, so to speak, the last buyer may have a hard time getting his return of capital, much less return on capital. Still a great gun.

I'll buy you a beer at Dave Wunrow's trailer next time I see you, Ed.

That's a deal Bruce. I love beer.

I like the gun, Ed's post and beer... where is Dave Wunrow's trailer? Thanks for showing us the gun Bruce.

It's wherever Dave is.

First Photo: L-R at the Duluth Puglisi shoot:

Brad Heidel, PGCA member and Pheasants Forever executive.

Dave Wunrow in red hat.

Bill Bolyard behind Dave.

Charlie Herzog

Ed Morgan

Unidentified???

In beero, veritas.


Second Photo: L-R at da Yooper

Steve Cobb

Dave Wunrow. Barb Wunrow seated in background.

Ed, what Bruce didn't tell you is that no one has ever paid for a beer at Dave Wunrow's trailer, ever.

I'm a "thin wallet" guy who looks and drools. This one showed up today on GA
http://www.gunsamerica.com//97581811...MADE.htm?wl=1#

Presented as a complete restoration with an "opinion" that restorations are becoming increasingly accepted by collectors. I'd like to be the guy who adds handling marks from field use and have a new gun for pics.
Cheers,
Jack

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1...1060891sgw.jpg

If your going to drool, try checking out this AHE.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=151194920

Yes, I've been watching that one daily. What an upland gun that would be . . . for a twelve-bore enthusiast. Very, very nice!

Nice AH, too bad it has a pad, darn it. But it is a very nicely engraved gun. Where is the drool bucket?

Tim

I've been watching that A grade out of curiosity also. Looks like the bbls have been reblued and maybe the chokes opened, which seems odd considering how good the receiver looks. Nice colors and a beautiful job of engraving! I'd have it out in the grouse woods in a heartbeat...

Time to sell one of those gold prospects and get yourself a new Parker Rich!

Could those barrels be cut? Did anyone get the sereal number?

Bob, Funny thing here the gun is in the "Serialization Book as a B grade with ejectors and 30 " barrels. The gun is being advertised as an A with 28" barrels.
Don,t know..But the book has been wrong before.

I looked and drooled but had the very same question. From reading on these forums, as I understand it, the barrels should be touching or almost touching when viewed straight on. These are quite separated in that view. Again, nice to look at and thanks.

Jack
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/1511940...1209344218.jpg

The letter may give us a hint. Obviously the stock books show 30" barrels, but the order book may give a clearer picture. Where is the T on the barrel flat?

Bill: What would the T designate? There's a "+" mark on each barrel flat; shouldn't they designate tight chokes? If so, the current chokes as stated would support honing and/or cutting of the barrels. The picture of the muzzle is too fuzzy to see if they touch; if they don't, it isn't by much. I sent that nice 26" Lindgren Daly I got back because the bbls had been cut, which they hadn't noticed and I wasn't told of.

Dave, I don't know the serial number so I didn't come to any conclusions, I like others saw the choke configuration as being a little sceptical.

What I see in the barrel end pic. is lack of keels.

I'm not saying I wouldn't be a proud owner, I could find a use for that open choked gun.

The book says 30" and the book also says TI5, not TI6 as the seller originally claimed but now says he's been told it may be a B or grade-5. I think I remember that gun from a while back. One becomes educated quickly in this game . . . or rather, some do.

See for yourselves, 130593

Not sure if we are considering the same thing. Curious about the patent date stamp. Could it have come from the factory like this??

Thanks,
Jack

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Presented as a complete restoration with an "opinion" that restorations are becoming increasingly accepted by collectors.
Cheers,
Jack



An interesting sidebar, if I may use the term "interesting" anymore, is that during the last major firearms sale at James Julia auctions, there were several high grade Parkers that were originally identified by Wes Dillon and J R LaRue, two real experts who know their Parkers, as original guns. Prior to sale I understand Doug Turnbull identified several of those as guns that he had redone. They still sold, in an audience of advanced and knowlegeable Parker collectors, for what Julia had estimated they would sell for before the restoration became known. To me this was a demonstration that high quality restorations that are indiscernable from originals are bringing, at least for that auction and those guns, high end prices.

And an observation; most restorations are lacking in that they don't look like Parker originals. Those that do, I think are outstanding, my opinon only.

But the problem in this, in my opinion, is that when it is discovered that a Parker, previously thought to be original and purchased as such, is actually a redone (refinished - refurbished - rebuilt - remanufactured - whatever term suits the gun) the value often drops considerably and what was formerly a good investment . . . is no longer.

Jack,I have seen patent date stamps like that many times.

The rib on 130593 is stamped "Titanic". Could the gun have had Damascus barrels originally and been refitted with Titanics by Parker? Most 5s and 6s wear Acme barrels.

Fred, Titanics are correct for the 130's. Look at TPS. The Acme's were not until a couple years later.

Jack, I'm with you, this one does not look "right" to me. Though I do agree with Bill that lightly struck or off struck is somewhat common.

Tim

Thanks Dave.

Regarding the rib matting.........this GH20 Serial number range 200XXX is very similar. This gun letters to the current 26" bbls. Although the ivory bead has probably been added at a later date. It has the widest gap I have seen to date.

Thanks Kurt. My 1918 GHE12 has an ivory front bead and letters with 26" bbls... which have been cut. That's a large bead. Looks in size like one of Galazans.