Have you shot (at) many roosters? I live in NW Iowa and that is a great combination. You shouldn't have to shoot twice too many times at a rooster.

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Attached below (I hope) is a photo of my knucklehead lab 'Tober who loves to point. As you can see by the northern Minnesota late season cover, an open choke is the ticket. My double trigger 26 inch 28 ga chokes have been opened twice, now at .001" right and .003" left..... modified, devalued, appropriate, & priceless.
Just my 2 cents.
Best Fishes,
Steve Kleist Ely, MN

My absolute favorite Grouse gun bar none is a DHE 20 with 26 inch barrels choked cyl/IC and its a sloppy IC at best.

Good God, I just realized a couple dozen guns is not enough. What to do, what to do???
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i got to get me some grouse before i can use my grouse gun a 20 ga gh parker 26 inch cly and cly... charlie

Spend Jack spend with all the reckless abandon you have within your inner soul spend those hard earned dollars on Grouse and Pheasant guns you can take afield and enjoy. Have you ever killed a bird with your bank statement??

Jr.:biglaugh:

Charlie you can substitue Quail for Grouse.

no quail either unless tyou shoot pen raised..this is what we do... charlie

Charlie you are probably doing just fine. One turkey should make up for about 30-40 quail in the freezer. As I recall you have two turkeys now with a third on the way. Of course you don't get the shooting practice with turkeys. Good luck with the third turkey.

Dennis

Lets see... my "perfect grouse guns" are pictured (but not necessarily limited to those) here.

First picture is my (shooter) 0-Frame LAM1 16 ga. with 28" barrels.

The next four are of my 28 ga. repro with 26 barrels that I can use Kathy's Q1 & Q2 barrels for early season
shooting and my 26" IC/MOD barrels for later when the leaves are down and the birds flush farther out.



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A few more.


The first one is with Kathy's 28 ga. Repro 26" with Q1 & Q2 chokes.

Next picture, top to bottom; 28 Ga. VHE 26" with .008" and .015" chokes.

PH 16 ga. open and full.

VH 20 Ga. open and tight mod.

Trojan 20 Ga. with effective chokes.

Trojan 16 Ga. IC & Mod.

Last Picture illustrates that the gun you use really doesn't make as much difference as the poeple you do it with.



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nice parkers and beautiful scenery... charlie

I had it in my hands today. straight stock, SST, BTF 26 inch bbls choked skt/skt. A wonderfull VHE 28....now the craftyness begins:whistle: And just to complicate things there is one I have my eye on at the Southern as well...a lovely CHE damascuss 20.....blood for sale (again) grade A O+ :)

I like A grade 0's :rolleyes:

16 ga (any grade) Mod/Improved chokes - all day long

I'm a really avid ruffed grouse hunter and have been in search of the perfect grouse gun "for me" since I graduated from college in 1984.

I think the perfect grouse gun for me is a 12 bore that weighs 6-1/4 - 6- 1/2 pounds. 28-30" barrels, straight grip, splinter forend. I like chokes of .003 & .007.

I have not found such a combination in an American double so my ideals have been English like this H & H Royal.
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That said, I can't afford such guns so I only get to hunt with them when friends who can afford them visit and allow me to carry them.

I hunt with a 1925 20 bore VHE with 28" barrels. I've never measured the chokes so I'm not sure what they are but when I walk in on my dogs point I have complete confidence that if I do my job, the Parker will do its.
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Jay,
looks to me as if you have the perfect gun. I dont think a light 12 would really be that much better. Like you, I have been searching for the perfect grouse gun since 1983, and have accumulated many good ones. My latest is a GH 16 O frame IC/M that will make its debut this fall--so far I am smitten!
Last year it was a grade2 Ugartechea that was the magic wand ( 11 out of 15 in the 3 days it was carried on grouse). I , too, have a little VH 20 w/ 26' cyl/mod barrels that needs a few days in the grouse woods.ps, the gun is unloaded and not really pointed at my head!

Harold,

I love that one as a dog picture

Nice guns! And it looks like you had a great day of grouse shooting!

My new perfect Grouse gun is a Charles Boswell damascuss 20ga with straight stock, double triggers and ejectors. She's choked IC/M with 28 inch tubes and is a lith 5lbs 7oz which is 6oz lighter than my H&H 20:shock:

I'm going to Duluth, MN for a shoot this weekend so I might just another perfect Grouse gun there:rolleyes:

My O frame 16 ,with 28 inch tubes comes pretty close,in the first photo I picked up two more birds on the way out...I have to admit though,I do have an Ithaca flues 1 1/2 grade 16 with 30 inch bbls that has bagged an awful lot of birds:whistle:
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I've killed far more Ruffed Grouse with a Harrington & Richardson "Sealed Eight" .22 LR revolver, in my two summers of working for the U.S. Forest Service, then any other firearm.

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Please define summer. I don't know of many (or any) places where grouse are open legal game in the summer. There may be some- enlighten me.

I was thinking the same thing.

Well, you guys are just too set in your ways. Short barreled 16, 20, and 28s with straight grips and lite weight. No sir ree. Up here on my farms, we use real men's guns. Early season when the leaves are still on, I use my 13 1/2 pound PH, 36 inch barrels (for good follow through) choked full and fuller (.40 and .44). The first shot clears the leaves and allows for the second at approximately 60 yards. Later in the season, with the leaves now gone, I switch to my light weight hammer 8--12 pounds and 34 inch barrels choked "not so full" and full. Compared to my early season gun, this grouse killer is a wand. You may have detected a bit of "tung in cheek" here as I have yet to kill a grouse with either. However, I bet sometime in their youths, the both knocked off a bird or two.

As for perfect Grouse guns ,I may have just got mine ,believe it or not I ended up with the little GH 20 that just sold for the third time in a week on our Forum ,you Guys remember the one I missed twice in a 24 Hour Period :eek: ! Ends up the second buyer sent it back home and it now resides at my place , and I couldn't be more pleased :) ! This little Grouse Getter is a GH 20 Ga. ,5 Lb 14 Oz. ,26" Damascus Barrels with 27 Thou. Min.Wall Thickness ,Choked CYL. and Full ! Now all we need is October !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I firmly believe the perfect Grouse gun doesn't exist. It's just a myth so we keep looking for that elusive Grouse gun and thats ok with me. I have bought three so far and Grouse season is still 5 weeks away.

Congrats Russ I think you will like her. One of my "perfect Grouse" guns is a GHE damascuss 20 with 26 inch bbl IC/M.

That is a wonderful little gun Russ and I firmly believe you now have "The Perfect Grouse Gun"....

(until the next one tempts and teases you.) :whistle:

There is ALWAYS a next one:bowdown:

True Rich.... I just acquired one myself... a first-year-production (1935) Ithaca (:o) "New Ithaca Field Grade" sixteen gauge Skeet gun with ejectors, 26" tubes, BTFE, straight grip, twin ivories in excellent condition.

Sometimes these guns just find us... and we just can't refuse them.




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Thats so true Dean. Lately the 16's have been coming my way:) The Ithaca's are a great gun and a real value in today's double gun marker IMHO. Congrats on a nice find.

This from a 1935 issue of National Sportsman.

The only option my Ithaca doesn't have is the selective single trigger.



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Some more grouse guns, from the top, 20ga VHE 30" , 20ga VH 26" , 20ga Win 21 26" and 12ga DH 26"

congratulations Russ!! I'll bring my new to me GH 16 O frame. Maybe you wont need that DH 20 damascus now??

Dean, looking at your magazine ad that gun doubled in price with the options, WOW. I think the gun above it is the gun KC miller used (in 410) to shoot the first 100 straight in skeet (supposedly) before switching to a VHE. Correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Murphy.

That wouldn't surprise me one bit. I had a Skeet-er .410 with all of the skeet options shown, including the Miller single selective trigger, in the ad and the very first time I brought it to the skeet field I broke 24 straight.... the one I missed was station 1 high house, my very first shot. After that the little Skeet-er pretty well knew exactly what to do to the rest of them.

I just had this conversation the other day Dean, I will take various guns to the skeet range and consistently miss #1 high (amongst others). I think the varying DAH's I have make #1 high the hardest to adjust to IMO. The more drop, the more I tend to miss #1 it seems. Either that or I just can't shoot worth a damm.:banghead:

Maybe you wont need that DH 20 damascus now??[/QUOTE]
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: ,I better ,It's almost due home with those refinished barrels and refinished wood if that Dog Gone Jerry just wasn't fishin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rotf:

Dean tell me again why did you sell that gun.....?:whistle:

Lured (falsely) by the mountains of cash from a Main auction house:whistle: