Chuck, in answer to your question, we have a principal collector who won't post here anymore. I post sparingly, much less than I did before.

However, if a person wants to see ball grips, he could search under the title "Balls" for a whole thread on the subject of ball grips and what Parker called half pistol grips, abbreviated in the records as 1/2 PG. Ball grips and 1/2 PG's are different.

In your records, PG should refer to Trojan grade guns, CPG to the capped pistol grip of V and higher. As you know, the pistol grip of Trojans were not capped as standard.

Bruce,

What you indicated as far as the records show is not accurate.

The Order Books just show P.G for all grades of guns from Trojan to A1-S's unless the guns were ordered with straight grips, 1/2 pistol grips, or ball grips. When you look at the Stock Books, those grips that were labeled as P.G. in the Order Books show up as either CPG or just P.G. in the Stock Books. I've found many P.G.'s in the stock books for multiple grades of guns. Some that I found were V's, G's, and D's, all with P.G. listed for grip type. I looked at some Trojans in the Order Books and they were listed as P.G. In the Stock Books, I found many Trojans listed as CPG's. Go figure!

"Never say never and don't say always either."

Here's my 1878 10ga, 0 grade handle. I don't think it is unusual for that era.

Fred's picture shows a Parker grip that is as close to a POW as Parker ever made. The POW, if you will look at the Hallowell picture, is really just a slightly bent straight grip. The reason a cap on a POW grip is installed on the horizontal is that it won't fit if it is installed at the end of the normal grip curve.

1881 G 12. What would you call this one?
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1901 DH 12 pistol grip.

Any round knob grip used to be called a ball grip. Not long ago, we started getting particular and calling a round knob grip with a pronounced bulge at the end a "ball grip" and one without the bulge was just a round knob. I admit there is a difference.

So would we call Calvin's a ball grip and Dave's a non-capped pistol grip?

Please go to the thread "Just got my first Parker 12 gauge" and in the last set of pictures you'll see about the closest Parker Bros. ever came to producing a "Prince of Wales" grip.