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Bob Jurewicz 08-17-2012 08:14 AM

Just weighed my 1 frame 16 for comparison and it comes in a 6lb 9oz.
28" barrels and 14 1/4"LOP.
Bob Jurewicz

John Farrell 08-17-2012 09:29 AM

My 1917 16 gauge 0 frame VH with 28" barrels and a 13.5" LOP weighs in at 5 lbs 13 ounces. It still retains some case color. It will come out of the gun safe to be my dove gun this year.

charlie cleveland 08-17-2012 09:47 AM

john what do the barrels weigh on your 0 frame 16 ga. and are the barrels thin at the shooting end im wondering about all the light weight guns that parker built.if all the barrels are thin at the end.i dont see how they could make thick ended barrels and have a light weight gun...my gh parker 20 ga o frame but with v grade 26 inch barrels are thin at the end and weight markedis 2 14 stamped on barrels...hope you can decipher this.... charlie

Harold Lee Pickens 08-17-2012 10:40 AM

People were just alot shorter back then, hence the short LOP. I have an O frame DHE 16 and it has a 13 7/8" LOP. Just a little too short for me to shoot well and if I put a lace-on pad to lengthen it, the drop increases to more than I like. The gun has 26' cyl/mod barrels (per letter)and weighs in at 6 lbs.

Jay Gardner 08-17-2012 10:59 AM

I have two 16 ga Parkers both with 28" barrels: a DH with 28" damascus barrels (3-11) on a 1-frame that weights 6-lb, 4-oz and a VH with 28" barrels (3-2) on an 0-frame that weights 6-lb, 8-oz.

CraigThompson 08-17-2012 12:35 PM

I've got a GH 16 damascus .

This one is a #1 frame , the barrels are marked 3 pounds 6 ounces . However they've been cut to 27" so I assume 3-6 was for a 28" set of pipes .

My LOP to the DHBP is 14 3/16ths .

Not sure what this one weighs exactly as I don't have a digital scale here at home .

On a bathroom scale however it appears to be just a shade over 6 pounds like maybe 6 1/4 pounds .

Dave Suponski 08-17-2012 12:44 PM

Interesting stuff. As Dean say's O Frame 16's can be all over the lot. Just because the gun is on a 20 gauge frame does not mean it's a light gun.

My O 16 with 28" barrels weighs 6lbs 3oz. 14 1/4" LOP to a DHBP barrel weight is 3lbs. 2oz.

My 1 frame 16 with 26" barrels weighs 6lbs. 12 oz. barrel weight is 3lbs. 8oz.

John Farrell 08-17-2012 04:21 PM

0 Frame 16
 
Charlie - The left barrel flat on my 0 frame 16 is stamped V in a circle and 2 1 3 and just 16 on the right barrel flat. The barrels weigh 2 lbs 6 3/8 ounces. The receiver and stock is 3 lbs 1/4 ounce, the forend is 6 3/8 ounces. The total weight of 5 lbs 13 oz is the gun assembled with the spur DHBP.

The right barrel is choked Mod (.619) and the left is a tight Full (.645). The right barrel wall is .032 at the muzzle, 1.52 at the breech. The left barrel wall is .036 at the muzzle and 1.52 at the breech.

The chambers are 2 5/8". Hence, I cut shells back to 2 1/2 +/- and it has been my practice to use roll crimped lo pressure loads with 1 ounce of shot. Truth be told, I haven't shot the gun much in the past 12 years since acquiring my Churchill 16 gauge gun. The 0 frame will be resurrected in two weeks for dove shooting, however. JF

Dave Noreen 08-17-2012 04:26 PM

I've said it before, but the Brothers P did more weird and wonderful stuff with weight and balance than any other makers I know of. I know 2-frame 12-gauges that go over nine pounds and 3-frame 12-gauges that go 8 and a half pounds, both with 30-inch barrels. One year when Kevin and I were doing the PGCA booth at Sandanona, we had 32-inch barrel 20-gauges on the rack on 2-frame, 1-frame, and 0-frame. Likewise, most people think of the late 1/2 frame 12-gauges as light weight guns, but there exists at least one long barrel 1/2 frame 12-gauge that goes over 8 pounds! All great stuff and what keeps us coming back for more.

edgarspencer 08-17-2012 07:34 PM

I'm assuming someone may draw a conclusion from all these numbers, but don't count me in that crowd, as I'm no less enlightened after looking at my 16s
My 0 frame VH 16,with 28" bbls, has an unstruck weight of 3/1, and my 1 frame VH 16, with 26" pipes has an unstruck weight of 3/7. My DHE 16 with 28" bbls weighs in at 3/4, so where the extra 3 ounces is hidden leads me to believe that Ejector fore ends weigh more than extractor fore ends. It's logical to assume that the smaller bore, for a given frame and barrel length would be heavier, so I checked a 28" VH 20, and it was 3/8. OK, comparing like for like, the 20 comes in an ounce heavier that the 16. So why are the 1 frame barrels (28") WITH ejectors on the DHE 3 ounces lighter than the 1 frame VH16 (26") ?
It was always my understanding that the stamped weight was the unstruck barrel WITH the fore end, and at some point, when I had access to a digital scale, I confirmed this, but I've never weighed fore ends by themselves.
I DO know one thing, (two if remembering where I live counts) The 28" DHE is a tad more forgiving on my shoulder after 100 rounds of clays, than the lighter 28" VH, but lugging the VH all day in the woods, and maybe getting off a dozen shots, is more forgiving on the rest of my body.


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