Francis, I'm not very good at posting pictures. The pigion ring is clay birds. I e-mailed Marshall Williams [ he writes the ALOOF column in Shotgun Sports ] a few times about the live birds he's shot to get an idea of ring size and how far to stand from the machine. It's a " work in progress " , so to speak. Anyways, we enjoy it, guess that's all that counts. I'm not worth the shells I shoot when it comes to that game. Paul