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Bill Murphy 05-26-2025 11:18 AM

Not having reviewed the entire text and background information, I would guess the W93/W97 is the advent of cutting fixtures that eliminate the need for emery for cleaning up pitted or rusted barrel bores and for enlarging bores to increase the choke constriction.

Craig Larter 05-26-2025 05:12 PM

I have found the same with Parker 20ga bores. Most are a few thousands over .615 up to .620. And most/ many 0 frame 20's have a min under .030, most seem to be .022 to .025. It would be hard to find one with .030 wall.

Mike Koneski 05-26-2025 09:05 PM

I’m curious as to why a 1923 gun would have 2 1/2” chambers? Maybe to bump pressure/velocity for trap competitions?

Mike Poindexter 05-27-2025 12:08 AM

I thought so too, having always heard the 12 bores were chambered 2 5/8 for 2 3/4 shells. When I looked at TPS, however, the factory chart from 1920 clearly shows 2 1/2" chambering as standard for the 12 ga. See Vol. 2, p. 519, Fig. 12-18. I measured them with both a fixed diameter Walker gauge, and my inside dial caliper. Definitely 2 1/2 inches.

Bill Murphy 05-27-2025 08:10 AM

That would be 2 1/2" chambers for 2 5/8" shells, the most popular shell of that era.

Dave Noreen 05-27-2025 09:43 AM

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The "standard" 12-gauge field loads with 1- or 1 1/8-ounce of shot came in the 2 5/8-inch shell, but from 1907 onwards our ammunition manufacturers only put the 1 1/4-ounce loads in 2 3/4-inch or longer shells and "trap loads" whether 1 1/8- or 1 1/4-ounce came in 2 3/4-inch shells.

That said, the 12-gauge Parker Bros. hang-tags I've managed to save pictures of are very confusing, several showing targeting with 1 1/4-ounce and saying "Use Shells 2 5/8" --

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Others do show 2 3/4-inch shells --

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or targeting with 1 1/8-ounce and "Use Shells 2 5/8" --

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Dean Romig 05-27-2025 10:27 AM

And that information begs the question “why would a ‘competition’ gun of 1923 have 2 1/2” chambers?”





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Scott Smith 05-27-2025 11:09 AM

VHE
 
This is one of those Parkers that has tons of character. It saw lots of action and served its owners well. And the unique checkering pattern makes it even more interesting.

Dave Noreen 05-27-2025 01:28 PM

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Here are some pages from a January 1, 1925, Remington ammunition Price List with the 12-gauge 2 3/4-inch loads annotated.

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Before 1907, Union Metallic Cartridge Co. offered a Load No. 5 or X5 that was 2 3/4-dram and 1 1/4-ounce of shot in a 2 5/8-inch shell which was dropped by 1907, and Load No. 8 or X8 came in a 2 5/8-inch case. Remington Arms Co. used Load No. 8 to target their doubles --

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Beginning in the July 1907 UMC Price Lists Load No. 8 and X8 were in a 2 3/4-inch case.

Daryl Corona 05-27-2025 02:27 PM

[QUOTE=Dean Romig;430708]And that information begs the question “why would a ‘competition’ gun of 1923 have 2 1/2” chambers?”

I'm not so sure it's a competition gun.


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