Does this make it a #2 Pigeon grade?

Then I have to ask, Is this a #2 grade pigeon gun?

No. The No. 2 was historically a Damascus barrel gun with a List Price of $60. By 1911, possibly earlier, Ithaca began offering the No. 2 with Krupp Steel barrels and called it the No. 2 Krupp Pigeon with a list price of $70. It was offered from a 32-inch 10-gauge to a 24-inch 28-gauge.

By 1916 the No. 2 could be had with either Damascus or steel barrels at the $60 List price, $42.75 actual net selling price. The No. 2 Krupp Pigeon was still offered at the $70 List Price, $49.87 actual net selling price.

By 1918 both the Damascus and the Krupp barrels were gone and the No. 2 was said to be fitted with Best Fluid Steel Barrels. They still showed the $60 List Price but the actual net selling price was up to $50.

I did a bit more digging and found the No. 2 Krupp on a Minier era Ithaca price list dated 1907, List Price $70, actual net selling price $49.87.

John Davis posted some 16g loads tested by either Tom Armbrust or BP. 2 3/4" hulls, 1 oz and Longshot powder and were in the 6000 PSI range or less. I've been using those loads for clays and hunting and they do shoot great in my Parkers and Lefevers.

So my #2 Flues was made in 1913 with the Krupp barrels, would it be a Krupp Pigeon?

I don't have a big 1913 Ithaca Gun Co. catalog. The 1912-13 pocket catalog only shows the No. 2 with Damascus barrels. The 1913 price list shows --

No. 2 Krupp bbls.

The formatting of the price list doesn't have room for the word Pigeon.

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Ithaca Catalogs
 

I did a little digging this evening and I checked 1912 & 1915 Ithaca Gun catalogs. These catalogs that I was checking were not marked as to the year, but I believe these to be the catalogs from those years.

In the 1912 catalog, Ithaca did offer 2 different options of the Grade 2.

An option with Krupp Steel barrels which they note as a, No. 2 Krupp Pigeon Gun. Barrels-Genuine Krupp Fluid Steel Barrels,the same quality as our high grade guns $70 List
Second option was with Damascus barrels, same engraving as No. 2 Krupp gun Barrels- Imported Damascus steel with figure as shown in cut, formed by weaving and welding ribbons of iron and steel together. $60 List

In the 1915 catalog the No. 2 is only offered with Krupp barrels and they make no mention of the Krupp Pigeon gun.
The 2 catalog pictures are from an original 1912 catalog and I also included pictures of 2 envelopes that I thought were rather interesting.

Thats pretty cool!

Stan, those are nice envelops!