Hey Garry,

I don't have any of Lytle's books however, he wrote some articles in the book "The Modern Red Setter." Smada Bird is discussed in the 2nd chapter. Always interesting to read about a handful of people bringing the breed back to its hunting conformation from a predominant AKC show dog breeding.

Ken

Are the Red Setter and the Irish Setter the same breed?





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https://nrsftc.com/index.php/history/

Yes and no. The link above is probably the best explanation.

The Field Dog Stud Book, UKC, and the North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association registers Red Setters as Irish Setters.

The AKC used to register them, but no longer will (unless it has changed again).

Thanks Alfred - that is a very interesting read.

Congratulations Ken on your Red Setter!





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Hey Dean,

I agree with Alfred--the Red Setters are Irish Setters, but have been bred back to a hunting conformation. They are also registered in the Field Dog Stud Book (FDSB) and not necessarily with the AKC. Here's another link of 3 pages on the discussion https://uplandjournal.ipbhost.com/to...8-red-setters/ from last year. The last response on page 3 covers it very well from the "Flushing Whip." The "Flushing Whip" is the official publication of Red Setters.

Now the next question: Is a Ryman Setter and English Setter? :-)

Ken

Ken, genetically yes.
But the Ryman line was bred and developed here in the US.





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I like them all, and the history of the Gordon, Irish, Red, and all of the English Setter families are fascinating and enjoyable reading. I don't think you could go wrong with any in the field or home.

Absolutely agree!