Well I bought a few boxes to test in my new to me DH 12 28 inch Damascus barrel gun choked 9 and 24 thou. Shooting two boxes at wobble trap broke about 25 percent. I then shot 12 Herter's low recoil 1 1/8 ounce no. 8 and broke 12 straight. So I guess the testing is over for the Winchester double lows. Now to find more Herter's or something comparable. At seven pounds the DH sure feels sweet. I could tell little difference in the recoil just the results. Thanks everyone. Gerald