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Rich Anderson 07-30-2019 02:21 PM

Wow that is an incredible job very well done:bowdown:

Drew Hause 07-30-2019 03:16 PM

Beautiful contrast Breck.
Remington called that pattern on 1894 C grades "Etoile 3. B.P."; Ithaca called it "American Flag"

The lopin lower left would be "American Flag"; lower 3rd is "Washington"

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../412652502.jpg

Remington also had an "Etoile 3. B.P." with very fine "stars" within the scrolls

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../403867979.jpg

This is a Parker with "Washington" and the "stars" within the scrolls are mostly tiny rectangles

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../317324708.jpg

Drew Hause 07-30-2019 03:20 PM

Here's another Damascus-Twist pattern with an end-on ribband

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../282227713.jpg

Steve Culver thinks the lopin was something like this, and that the "mushrooming" was from external hammering

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../405710290.jpg

Dean Romig 07-30-2019 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew Hause (Post 278297)
Steve Culver thinks the lopin was something like this, and that the "mushrooming" was from external hammering

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../405710290.jpg


I agree.





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Breck Gorman 07-31-2019 03:52 PM

Steve Culver’s interpretation makes a lot of sense. Thanks for making that clear.

Bruce Day 07-31-2019 09:02 PM

I would call:
1. The Rem is American Flag Bunting , a Damascus pattern.
2. The Parker G is Crolle, a Damascus pattern.
3. The Lefever is Twist, not Damascus at all.

Nicely done refinishes. I appreciate composite barrels and regularly use such guns for target and hunting. Photos to follow of a Mod 1883 Colt shot gun with nice Damascus when the stock gets its final Brian Board mastery.

Drew Hause 07-31-2019 10:27 PM

Breck: I dug out my image from Charles Semmer's book of the labeled Remington damascus sample rod and you were correct; Remington called the pattern "Etoile (Star) 3. B.P.". Both it and "Washington N 3. B.P." were offered on the 1894 C grade. I corrected my post.

5 Washington and Etoile variants in the Joseph Juleinond de Nessonvaux sample box

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../411660177.jpg

As said, Ithaca called the pattern "American Flag"

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../409894739.jpg

Baker called this pattern "Best London Damascus Twist"

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../271046270.jpg

and some Ferlach and Liege makers called it "London". The lower sample is acid etched

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../325223725.jpg

Drew Hause 08-01-2019 08:38 AM

And just to make it more confusing, Bruce is correct that neither "Twist" nor "Damascus Twist" are twisted before being helically hammer welded on a mandrel, ie. not a "crolle" (curled) pattern
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...LxMESM3W0/edit

Bruce Day 08-01-2019 09:28 AM

There are many types of twist, ranging from stub twist, best twist and London twist. The plainest twist I have seen was the short lived Parker in house made twist. The high grades of twist are highly attractive in my opinion.

Drew Hause 08-01-2019 09:41 AM

Found my images of Damascus Twist Parkers

1888 12g No. 0 toplever hammer gun with Damascus-Twist refinished by Dale Edmonds. Courtesy of David Purnell.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../305238492.jpg

No. 1 toplever hammergun refinished by Brad Bachelder

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../386972891.jpg


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