Mike, thank you for your suggestion, everyone in here has been most helpful, especially john dallas. He spent a lot of time with me. I am hoping we can go hunting someday. He hunts ducks over decoys that he makes himself. My kind of guy:) Now if he can just teach me how to shoot an old side by side, I will really be indebted to him:) I just signed up, and my heading changed instantly, pretty cool. Thanks again