I always insist that my barrels be harder than pencil erasers, no exceptions.

Are we implying that Teague does not measure wall thickness before they install the liners? Is it considered OK if the Teague liner is visible from the outside?

Has the owner contacted Teague about this and have they responded?

Steve Bertram of Bertram & Co. here in Boulder Is the US agent for Teague Liners in the states now. You could contact him and ask who did the work. I truly doubt it was him. His website is on the opening page at www.doublegunshop.com 303-938-1996

Stranger and stranger.

The owner called me and told me:
1. Teague relaid the ribs. Steve Bertram called him and told him Teague had determined they would need to relay the ribs.
2. He had Teague liners put in so he could shoot smokeless powder handloads. He worked with Bertram & Co, Teague's US agent, to have the work done.



Paul, its not my gun, not my issue, my guns have good barrels and I shoot smokeless powder loads through mine regularly, ranging from full load pressures to reduced pressure. I've never considered Teague liners and have no reason to. The owner told me that he is not a PGCA member. The owner has not contacted Teague yet. Not my place to ride herd on this whole matter. I posted the pictures because I thought it presented interesting issues for those who have considered the work.

Bill, I'm implying nothing. I just present the facts known to me and shown in the photos and the statements of the gun owner.

Bruce, i'm not pointing or saying anything. I was just sitting on the sidelines reading this post, and knew only what I posted. I make it a point never to stir the pot.

Bruce, I believe the prices you mention are in the ballpark, perhaps slightly low. I remember originally they were around 2000.00 or so for the pair, but then they got a U.S. agent and the price doubled. I was told that part of the price increase is that it costs more to send the barrels back and forth from England now (that much??), and I was also TOLD that Teague will no longer line barrels without also re-laying the ribs at the same time. Apparently they had some problems with ribs separating during the process, so they made a re-lay mandatory. That could explain the problem in the pics. Bore them out for the liners on the inside, and re-strike them for a good rib re-fit on the outside, and...oops.

Although they have a U.S. agent, none of the work is done here - they are all sent to Teague in England.

The above was what I was told by the U.S. agent (except for the part about the problem in the pics).

As Brad mentioned, removing the excess solder from the crevice where the rib meets the barrel is a real pain (I've done a few sets) and it takes a lot of filing/scraping/sanding to get it all out of the crevice. You've got to be careful and not let impatience make you heavy-handed.

Jim

Either:

A. Parker made the barrel walls thin on the left tube but not on the right.
OR
B. Teague, when they re-laid the rib, thinned the barrel walls excessively at the juncture of the left rib side or I suppose its possible that the boring was not concentric to the barrels.

If A, this is the first one I've seen and I have looked closely at hundreds of Parker barrels. I have also looked at hundreds of Parker barrels from the muzzles and cannot recall ever seeing one where the rib was originally laid off center. Below are two photos. The first is of the muzzles of another damascus (Bernard) 16ga barrel set showing what I have found to be standard Parker barrel muzzle end configuration. The second is of the Teague lined barrels and shows the position of the top rib relative to the barrels and the concentricity of the liners relative to the original remaining barrel walls .

This is the first set of Teague lined barrels I have ever had in hand. I was not familiar with them until a member from Philadelphia posted several times about them and how one could not see the liner joint at either muzzle or breach end. Again, I am no expert, not a machinist, not a gunsmith, not a barrel expert, and maybe somebody else can shed some light on this.

I never thought much of a $4000 barrel job that involved running a hone or a reamer down a tube that only has wall thickness in the twenties to start with. I especially don't think much of such a process when the gun isn't worth as much as the cost of the process when it's finished. "Those crazy Brits!"

Seems they just honed that one barrel until it broke through. What a shame. Whatever went wrong, if they were mine I would consider them a total loss and would dismantle them and part them out.