Thanks Brian. I was trying to make sure it wasn't an order of magnitude higher, which might make sense on a high condition grade 4 or better, but not a lesser grade. Now I can at least plan my budget and know where to go for the work.

Does anyone know for how long the roundel guns were made?

I have seen it on B and C grades in the 1902 - 1904 era. Does anyone have one prior or after?

Generally they were 1900-1906. Give or take a dew years maybe. Mostly C grades and only about 25% or less of them. Attributed to Loy.

CHE 173441(1916) with some striping still visible. I also have a GH and PH that show the same treatment and many Fox guns were finished with striping on the barrel flats (C and above) and breech face. Must have been a fairly common practice.

This is a poor pic of my VHE #222382. It's been shot some but not much.

My intent here is NOT to be contrary or to start an argument so I'll try to be 'soft-spoken' and present this more as a question because I really want to learn, rather than be argumentative...

Regarding any engraving on a Parker of any grade being "attributed to Loy" my question goes something like this...

In all the time I have spent in researching engravers who embellished Parker guns with their art, I have never once seen or read anywhere, including The Parker Story or anywhere on the Internet, be it in archives of factory engravers or contract engravers or on the various BBS forums where known experts have made statements to the point.....
That Joe Loy ever did contract engraving for Parker Bros. It is a known fact that he did wonderful work for Ithaca and Remington and there is even the possibility that he may have contracted to engrave a very few Parkers under Remington ownership - but never in the Meriden days, that I have ever heard of or read of.

So, my question is this (for the education of myself as well as all of the readers of this forum), can anyone provide bona fide documentation of a single Parker shotgun engraved by Joe Loy..... or proof that he ever contracted with either Parker Bros. or Remington Arms Co.?



Please accept my apologies for subverting Brian's excellent thread on "Putting a CHE back on face..."

If the administrator or a moderator wishes to remove this post and start a new thread with it.... Please do so.






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What a gorgeous C grade! Looks like the triggers are bent for a left hand shooter.

Very nice work and worth every penny to do it right in my opinion. Brian is doing this process to a GH for me and it's nice to see a finished example and explanation on the work involved.

Very nice workmanship Brian, could you tell me if you sell new roll joints to the trade please? David Costa