Bill doesn't believe this marketing verbiage either ;)

1908 Sears Catalog: "Shooting qualities- As before explained, the shooting qualities of these guns are unequaled for long distance killing, long range shooting, for penetration, pattern or target. Both barrels are full choke bore, so firmly constructed that unlike other guns, there is no recoil or kicking. That which in other guns goes into recoil in the A J Aubrey gun goes to give greater force to the shot."

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I'll bet that single line of fabricated hyperbole, by itself, sold a lot of guns! :rolleyes:






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To be fair to the Hunter Arms ad guy, I interpret the "extreme choke" lack of penetration as "extreme choke for extreme range".

Unfortunately, the long range hyperbole was endemic among the folks in marketing :(

"Shoots perfectly at 80 yards."

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"Effective range 80 - 100 yards."

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"Effective range 60 - 80 yards"

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"Dropping 'em at 80 yards!"

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Not quite :nono:

Pattern testing by David Williamson with .042" choke 32" LRWF at a measured 80 yards using 3 inch Winchester (plastic) hull with 38.35 grains of Blue Dot, Winchester 209 primer, Winchester AASL wad, and 1 3/8 ounces of #5 nickel plated shot. The average number of pellets was 246 and measured weight 1.353 ounce. Number of pellets in duck for 3 shots: 5,6 & 6. Pattern % in 30" circle: 5.3 = 13 pellets, 8.1 = 20 pellets & 8.5 = 21 pellets.

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And only 2 of those pellets might have brought that 'duck' down.






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Long Range 12g.
 

Gets you 2" closer Before you Pull the Trigger

I only know that a shot that comes out of the barrel, round, at 1200 fps, loses velocity and penetration at the same rate, regardless of choke. However, many gun companies, in the early days, made claims for more penetration than their competitors. My question was "Did Parker make claims like that?"

"The Strongest Shooting"

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I think there is only one way to resolve this much debated issue of "long range fowling".

We need to have a long bird event at the Southern. Awards per gauge and then over all. Would be cool to see 12 vs 10 vs 8, etc.
Limit load to 1 1/8 oz of #7.5's

Make it a 80 yard target.

Fox vs Smith vs Parker vs etc etc etc

No "Woolwich" allowed Dr John!! :rolleyes:

Someone might share the rules for the Fox Collector's "Bo-Whoop" competition

With all due respect John, I can't see where there is room for an 80 yd. long bird event at the Southern.

Let's not leave out the tightly choked 20's and 28's. They can be quite impressive on those long birds.

The Bo-Whoop at Hausmann's is THE premier long bird event. Please come join us in June.