Of course a person can burn powder at the Southern, its a matter of how much. If a person thinks of it predominantly as a shooting event, he might be disappointed, but I think you have to look at the event as a whole. The vendors and getting together with PGCA people must be considered in my opinion. I like the Southern for those reasons. Some people come early, like Thurs and Fri to shoot a lot......Sat is the day for the crowds.

I wouldn't want something I say to be misquoted or taken out of context because that often changes the meaning.

Bill M
Why don't you talk to Bill K for us. I know he has had offers from professionals to help solve this problem. but has not taken advantage of the help. He seem only focused on the venders and their $. He is nice guy but is loosing some people he does not need to loose.
David

Southern
 

Mr. Suponski, If you want to shoot a bunch and spend time with Parker people and eat good sea food you should come to the Fall Classic at Backwoods Quail Club here in Georgetown SC in October. You will not find a better club or better shooting venue. But don't take my word for it. Talk to Mark Conrad, Dr. Truitt and others who have been here. Cheers, Tom

Thank You Tom,After all the good things I heard about the Fall Southern it's been in the back of my head.

David, I can't approach Bill K. with an offer to help because he has not approached anyone I know for opinion or advice. He is obviously happy with his bottom line and isn't interested in improving the intake of funds. When I hear he is interested in a meeting with shooters, I will attend.

The Southern has become a victim of its own success. The facility has limited space and this year it was like a 10 pound lunch crammed in a 5 pound sack. That said, Bill K. has been a BIG supporter of the SxS venue outside of the Vintager format making possible the Challenge Cup which to me is the highlight of my shooting year and I never make the team. It's difficult to strike a balance between shooting and gun show and if Deep River had more space we would not be having this discussion. I'll continue to support the Southern because of the great people who attend, and the Parker/LC Smith shoot-off. If the PGCA and LCSCA decide to go elsewhere, so be it, but I don't think they will. And yes, we will attend the Fall Classic this year.

ED
I agree with you completely. I just want to encourage him to maintain a balance between shooting and gun show and I think this year he erred on the gun show /$$ side. He could do a lot to improve the sporting clays ,even in that limited space. I have heard from a fair number of people that may not go next year unless the opportunity to shoot improves and I want them there. I shoot at Rick Hemmingway's Backwoods every week but really enjoy shooting at the Southern with all my Parker friends.
David

The Southern has two big issues with me.

Number 1. It is just too darn far to drive for a weekend of waiting in line to shoot in hot weather.

Number 2. The event always seems to be on the same weekend as the local high schools prom night ie again waiting in another line so I can have supper.

I prefer the Vintagers as I can get all caught up with the old aquaintices(sp) that kind of reminds me of a pack of dog running into one another sniff,sniff, and in a far more civil suroundings. Also has the advantage of closer to home ie not so darn far to drive for Parker fun.

The lack of enough shooting facilities has all but driven off the Michigan contingent and the lack of just a plain old trap range has me staying home also.

PTG Rog

I agree with Roger on the trap range. I'd like nothing more than to participate in a vintage trap shoot at one of these get-togethers. Does the course in SC have a trap range?

If Rick thought we wanted to shoot trap, he would probably have a trap range up and running by the Fall shoot. Call him.