i load the heavy loads in the 8 ga and the 10 ga and mag 12 s i use blue dot for the light load 10 ga i use red dot and green dot in the short 10 ga...i the other ga s i use the wally world brand...pete lester has a fine list of short 10 ga posted on the forum have a look if you shoot the old short 10 if you dont you need to get a short ten...charlie