Thanks Dean, I currently have a 0 frame vh but I am looking at getting a D grade and I cannot afford a 0 frame D grade.

Yes, you would regret the extra half pound in a grouse gun. I just turned 70 and my next grouse gun will weigh about 4 3/4 pounds. It is in my safe just waiting for that hunt.

Correct. Carbon and low alloy steels weigh in at .285 lbs/cu.'
my two 20s, a GHE and a DHE, both have 28" barrels, and choked the same. They both weighed, pre striking, 3 lbs even.

For mine, wall thickness of the barrels seems to determine weight more than anything

I can't help but shake my head over those who worry about 1/2 pound on a gun when they weigh 210lbs. and the coffee and flapjacks they ate a couple hours before shooting added 3/4 of a pound around their belly.....

Then they complain their gun is too light and it kicks too much...

To paraphrase the seminal 1978 album by Devo (which I have never heard) "Are We Not Men?"

I have been looking for a DHE or DH 16 Must have its skeleton but plate and modern dimensions. I want the smaller O frame. It is 1/2 lb lighter but also feels smaller in the hand when grasp around the action. They are less robust and to me this is also important. I also need the gun to be stocked high say 1 1/4 X 2 1/4 no more than 1 3/8 X 2 3/8, would like 28" tubes that have choke minn of .005 in the right barrel and .010 in the left, they can have more choke but no less. Gun should be in very good original condition and have no issues. A gun like this is hard to impossible to find and will not be cheap. I have only missed one that fit this description and it was listed for 12,500.00 It was sold during the first week listed. I had called after it was sold. Never have seen one like it since...)-: SXS ohio....

Well.. Something like that will always be out of my price range. I am simply looking for a 6.5 lb gun on a #1 frame. I know they are out there.. I am looking at a few. 6.5lbs is definitely light enough got me to carry all day. I am just a little hesitant about a 7lb gun I am curently looking at.

I have a 12 DH skeleton BP, 1 frame, 28 inch barrels that weighs 6lb 8 oz. It's a fun gun. Also have an 8lb VH 12 32 inch barrels and an 8lb 6oz Trojan 12 28 inch barrels. The trojan has a difference to it but the VH is about the same except the longer barrels make it swing differently. I wouldn't worry about the 1/2 lb but that's me. I also like shooting superposed and they weigh a lot more than most parkers.

Have 4 16 G guns, under 6 to nearly 8 lbs. By far hardest to shoot is the under 6. Best all around carry and shoot, for me, is the 28 inch 6-10 lb 1 Frame 16 G Trojan. Only improvement I would make is higher grade same configuration .

William

My 16's vary on the unstruck barrel weight. Two 1 frame guns are 3 8oz., 3 5 oz., both 1 frame and my 16 built on an 0 frame has barrels that are 3 lb. 3 oz.
So, my thought is that different barrels weights are a contributing factor and I wonder if an 0 frame 16 might have been given more attention when built.
I do know my 0 frame 16 is a great gun that fits me better than any other gun that I own. Find one of them and you seem to find a special piece. They can be found and maybe others can add to the merits of the 0 frame 16.