Mark: My DHE 20 bore which I purchased from Holt's in England has a straight grip stock with a chequered butt (no SSBP or heel & toe plates) just wood. The gun has English proofs and was finished in 1925 & has 30 inch barrels. If you're interested I'll take some pictures & post them.

Best Regards, George

George, for the benefit of all, please do post some pictures.

Thanks, Dean

Butt Plates
 

My 20 ga. Lifter Gun, SN 10165 from the Jim Parker Collection has a no checkering on the grip or forearm and it has a skeleton butt plate with no checkering in the center area ... Is that common among early Parkers, or is it a rarity ?

Jim Kucaba ... AriZOOna Cactus Patch ... Email: JimKucaba@aol.com

Larry, e mail your serial # to me and I will to look at that order again. Bruce, the DHE 20 is exactly what I am talking about. Here is the order for that gun. Note "no butt plate". When I first started this job of research, I thought this meant nothing on the butt and the customer would put his own pad on the gun. The price of a pad is $4.00 which was really high at the time. The pattern on this D grade is similar to the B grade I have but the B is a little finer.

Bruce, I tried to copy the order book and post it here but it didn't work. I'll send it to you as a scan and you can try posting it here. Thanks

Mark

SN 157,389 Order Book entry.

William Wagner in Washington, DC ordered many guns with "no butt". I have not run into one of these guns to determine what the deal is. However, I doubt that they were checkered butt guns. I think Wagner just didn't like paying $4.00 for a Silvers pad. I think if we find some of these guns, we will find recoil pads on the south end.

Larry's AA says no butt. So we have no heel plate, no butt plate and no butt. We need to fine a gun that says no butt to see if it is checkered. Interesting.

Mark

Mark: The 20 bore DHE that I bought in England has the SN 213884 and is listed in the serialization book as a "T13" with straight stock, ejectors & 30 inch barrels made in 1925. The PGCA letter that I ordered had no further information. The gun is in beautiful original condition with British Proofs. If I can figure out how to post pictures here I will do so.

Best Regards, George

What beautiful writing that person had.

George, your gun was built after the order books end. We only have the stock book whcih does not indicate what is on the butt.

Mark