Was orderd by Theo Carter, in Salt Lake City, Utah on March 5, 1880 and shipped June 10,1880. Order book #8 indicates it was a quality 2 hammer, 10-gauge. Featured Damascus barrels of 30 inches. Stock configuration was pistol grip. Chokes were patterned (195#8 pellets in a 24" circle at 45 yards) both barrels. Stock book #6 indiactes Length of pull 14 1/4, drop at heel 3", weight 9 pounds 4 ounces. Price was $85.00 .

thanks, i wonder what the weight of the load of shot was to get that pattern? scott

I wonder what the pattern or pellet count would have been at the standard forty or even thirty yards.

It would be great to have the original hang tag, and if listed, compare the load used to target the gun, to the pellet count given. Wonder if anyone has ever done any comparative research on targeted loads and pellet counts? W.W. Greener lists pellet counts at 40yds for 28,20,16, and 12ga but no chart for 10ga.:banghead: Currently the barrels measure .033 restriction.Guess I'll just have to stir up some brass hulled BP loads and find out.:cool:

The shot was probably 1 1/4 ounces of Tatham. I can't remember where we access the information about pellets per ounce by brand, but #8 is usually around 410 per ounce. I have a set of pattern cards for one gun, two different loads, two different ranges and target circumferences. I will try to make heads or tails of it, but the five yards and the small circle makes a big difference.

Thomas Carter was the sole agent for Parker Brothers in Salt Lake City during that time period. Kevin McCormack owned a B Grade that was shipped to Carter, Evans, and Company of Salt Lake City in late 1879. Read his article in DGJ Volume 13, issue 2, page 43. Notice the Thomas Carter broadside on page 45. Check with the PGCA historian to see if he could have misread Theo's name.

ok, i did a test with my 10 ga EH 30 in 2 frame choked .021 in both barrels. i loaded 8's with a 1 3/8 th oz mec bar but it droped only 1 5/16 oz the shot count came to 553 to the load. i than shot it at a 30 inch patten board at 40 yds and i got 383 in the 30. this is .696% . ok this is not 45 yds and i did count the 24 in circle. (289) i do know nothing would have got out of the pattern with out a hole in it if it were bigger than a mouse :shock: scott

Never shot #8 but lots of 7 1/2. After decades of research, I have found that there must be pheasants smaller than a mouse, so I'm glad those ones passed through the shot string. They wouldn't have been worth eating anyway.

Cheers,
Jack

Bill, I just took a look at page 45 and think you are correct. Tho's could easily be mistaken for Theo when searching old handwritten manuscript.
Another thing to add to my research list.:)

Scott, Your test data seems to indicate 195#8's in a 24" circle at 45 yards to be in the realm of reality. Accounting for the differences in pellet count,chokes and yardage we're in the ball park.
Any 10 ga I've ever shot threw nice patterns,don't know if it's the extra payload or something inherent in the ballistics.
But you say you've got mouse holes in you patterns huh? I'd try mothballs in the shot hopper:biglaugh::duck: :cheers: