I have that book and I don't remember it mentioning any smokeless loads for brass hulls but I will dig it out and look again. I would have to agree with paul. Don't know of any smokeless loads for brass cases.

if a brass hull shotgun shell has the 209 or old 57 primer it can be shot without bloopers with smokeless powder such as blue dot or red dot..the key to no bloopers is putting pressure on the top wad while hot glueing it in and holding the pressure till glue dries which is not but a few secounds.. i use to get a lot of bloopers till i tried just what i said. charlie

Thanks Charlie. The brass hulls I have use large pistol primers. Do you think that would make any difference?

Charlie, do you shoot that 19gr of Red Dot 1 1/8 load in a brass 10ga hull too?

Mike If you want some loads using triple 7 in brass shells this book list a few. There isn't much smoke and a lot less fowling. This book list several of them.

yes i have shot the 19 grain of red dot out of the brass case no issues just remember to keep pressure on the top wad while glue is drying dont take but a jiff to harden.. yes the big pistol primers will do fine... ya ll let me know what you think...charlie

Just curious charlie but witch wads did you use. Plastic shot wads or the fiber wads and over powder cards.

i used the cards first but i have used the plastic with good results...charlie

When loading brass, I would assume that some wads do not seal well, especially some plastic wads. I believe Paul is getting bloopers because he is using too slow a powder, too small a wad, and/or too little shot to keep pressure up. If you want to shoot light shot loads like 7/8 ounce in a 12 gauge, you don't use slow powders. The 19 grain Red Dot load under 1 1/8 ounces in a ten gauge would seem like a well balanced low pressure load. In the days of fiber wads and paper hulls, the standard 12 gauge 1200 fps target load was 23 grains of Red Dot under 1 1/8 ounces of shot. 19 grains of Red Dot in a ten gauge wouldn't blow up any gun I know of, and it should generate enough pressure to avoid bloopers, at least in warm weather. In fact, Red Dot would be my choice in eight gauge loads for casual shooting. All the recommended eight gauge loads we see published with boutique powders are unneccesary unless you are loading heavy shot loads for extreme range waterfowling. For 1 1/4 ounce eight gauge loads for bird hunting or clay targets, Red Dot is all you need.

Bill if you don't mind would you post the complete red dot load for your 8ga.