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Bill Murphy 01-20-2014 02:58 PM

Keeping things the way they are promotes interest in guns, gun collecting, and gun trading. Allowing tubes in vintage gun competition will run the present competitors out of the game. Tubed competition style guns are an unfair advantage.

John Truitt 01-20-2014 03:07 PM

how about a gun that has been permanently rechambered down one gauge.
(IE: 10 bore rechambered permanently to a 12)

Ed Blake 01-20-2014 03:22 PM

Or a 16 to a 20?

Chris_Caile 01-20-2014 03:30 PM

Tube if the gun was originally 16g or smaller. No everyone can afford the smaller gauge Parkers...

Mark Ouellette 01-20-2014 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Truitt (Post 127388)
how about a gun that has been permanently rechambered down one gauge.
(IE: 10 bore rechambered permanently to a 12)

I say NO. We collect, shoot, compete, and hunt with vintage guns. A rechambered gun is not acceptable in a gauge specific competition. Hey, is it a 10 gauge because if left the factory as that or a 12 gauge because someone butchered a fine 10 gauge?

Why not allow any gauge so long as the shot payload is the same?

John Truitt 01-20-2014 03:40 PM

Mark,

As a way of resurrecting a gun that otherwise would not be usable.

I personally understand the concerns with tube sets but I don't see why rechambering a gun, to resurrect it, should be an issue. That should be no unfair advantage to any shooter.
IMO by doing so you have just reintroduced a gun to the world, stimulated the economy by paying for the work ( I think I am saying this correctly)

John Truitt 01-20-2014 03:41 PM

Why not allow any gauge so long as the shot payload is the same?[/QUOTE]

I don't understand this comment Mark?

Mills Morrison 01-20-2014 03:46 PM

I prefer keeping it original with no tubes, but am not offended if others feel differently.

I may bring my DH 10 with its orphan 12 gauge barrels and hope that is ok. The barrels are as they left the factory, just with a different receiver.

Mark Ouellette 01-20-2014 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Truitt (Post 127397)
Why not allow any gauge so long as the shot payload is the same?

I don't understand this comment Mark?[/QUOTE]

The comment was sarcastic.

An ounce and an eighth of shot is the same no matter the bore size. Isn't that correct? Not always.

I shoot a lot of 10 gauges at the SxS events. If one can move a big gun the larger bore can be very forgiving. To prepare for those shoots I spend much time handloading those big shells one at a time. I take pride in my work. Oh, the WalMart special promotional 12 gauge shells shoot better in my 10 (with Gauge Mate adapters) than they do in a 12 but I reframe from that in vintage shoots.

If the rules for a 10 gauge shoot allowed any Tom, Dick, or Harry to compete using a borrowed gun and 12 gauge AA's they bough at WalMart then why would I bother to enter? Something about the "vintage" of the shoot would be lost.

But then why are Parker Reproduction guns not allowed in competition? Would allowing those take something from the collectors who mortgaged the farm to buy a vintage 28 gauge Parker. Yup, probably so.

I could go on with why not old pumps and pre-war Auto 5's? I like them all but...

Vintage is vintage. Let's keep it that way.

Mark

John Truitt 01-20-2014 04:03 PM

How about our controversial 10/12 being shot in the 12 ga event.

Is that an issue?

There is a some interesting info about this conversion written by Cyril Adams from Texas.
He is one very involved with "Vintage Guns".

I am in no way offended by any ones comments and in no way am trying to offend any one else.

I am just trying to get a feel for what is out there.


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