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Bill Murphy 01-20-2014 11:55 AM

Greg, the BHE 0000 frame .410 is not an unusual combination. BHE is the grade that these guns were made in, with the exception of the D engraved one you saw. Without breech ball beads, I question whether it is a 0000 frame. The 0000 frame is very different from the 00 frame and doesn't have what can be described as breech balls. Who offered that unusual gun?

Greg Baehman 01-20-2014 07:02 PM

Bill, I never said the BHE 0000-frame .410 was an unusual combination. What I said was that it is unusual in the sense that they are seldom seen. I have been to the Winter Beinfeld Show 11 times, the VC a couple of times, other S x S events many times, local shoots and gun shows and run in circles of S x S enthusiasts and have never had my hands on one before. I also said it was ultra-unusual and extra-odd in the sense that it's a BHE with DHE-style engraving. I would guess that even you would have to admit that is somewhat unusual.:)

Make no mistake this was indeed a 0000-frame. I compared it to the 00-frame 28/28/.410 A-1 Special I previously mentioned. The frame itself is about 1/16", maybe a hair more narrower than a 00-frame.

The seller's name is Paul Dorsa from Los Gatos, CA. He bought the gun new from Parker
Reproduction dealer Mike Weatherby. Incidently, he also had a .410 Parker on a 000-frame at the show.

edgarspencer 01-20-2014 07:53 PM

How can it be a BHE "throughout" but be engraved like a D, No bead, and barrel wedges? Checkering alone doesn't make a BHE, to me

Greg Baehman 01-20-2014 08:02 PM

Edgar, please don't take what I described in my initial post out of context.

Kenny Graft 01-20-2014 08:44 PM

Please do not confuse the 0000 barrels for 0000 frame guns. All of the 410 set that have been listed or seen her are on 00 frame 28ga. guns with 0000 marked 410 barrels. All the 410 sets are marked 0000. Only one true 5lb. 0000 complete gun has been confirmed that I know of and I did not see or handle it. This is a very confusing issue since the frame is not marked. The only way to know is by weight. My 0000 frame 410/00 28 comes in at 6lbs-4oz with 410-s in place. The one BHE 0000 true prototype was 5lbs. That's what I know after years of study. SXS ohio

Kenny Graft 01-20-2014 08:49 PM

Her is a letter about the 410 sets
 
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I hope you can read this, its small,,,thanks Kenny

edgarspencer 01-20-2014 08:50 PM

Greg, I didn't think I was manipulating your words, but as sweet as a 4 ought frame gun must be, I don't see how it could be a BHE throughout, but with D grade engraving, which is very much less coverage than a B grade. Additionally, lacking a single bead behind the breach balls is not in keeping with any B grade I've seen, nor have I seen a B grade with barrel wedge engraving, which would usually only be sen on some double A grades, and A-1 Special

Greg Baehman 01-20-2014 09:33 PM

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Edgar, we're in the Parker Reproduction Forum here and we're talking about a Parker Reproduction BHE. Parker Repro BHE Grades typically have barrel wedge engraving. You can Google Images yourself to check 'em out, but I already did that for you with the image below:

edgarspencer 01-20-2014 10:27 PM

Thanks for that image. That one does have the bead behind the bolsters, and the Checkering pattern is pretty faithful to the original, though I guess they took license when they added the barrel wedge engraving.

Greg Baehman 01-20-2014 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 127348)
Greg, the BHE 0000 frame .410 is not an unusual combination. BHE is the grade that these guns were made in, with the exception of the D engraved one you saw. Without breech ball beads, I question whether it is a 0000 frame. The 0000 frame is very different from the 00 frame and doesn't have what can be described as breech balls. Who offered that unusual gun?

Please read the remainder of the top left column paragraph in this link:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/album.p...pictureid=1027

Are you saying that the reported 33 factory completed 0000-frame .410 Repros were only built as B-Grades?


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