It is, thanks! It's one of two guns I have that rate pretty much heart stopping in terms of condition, lines and beauty.

Jeff, is that a 16?

While the Remington Hammerless Doubles in A- to EEO-Grade were offered in 10-, 12- and 16-gauge, the FE-Grade Trap Gun was only catalogued in 12-gauge with 30-inch Remington Steel barrels from its introduction in the 1905-06 Remington Arms Co. catalog through the last appearance of the doubles in the 1909 Remington Arms Co. catalog. Careful reading of the catalog text indicates also 32-inch barrels but I've yet to record an FE with 32-inch barrels.

I only have 2 Remington doubles one is a a grade 10 ga with steel barrels and 30 inch barrels and a 1894 12 ga with ordance seel barrels and 26 inch barrels....both guns are ejector guns...the 12 ga weighs a little bit over 6 lbs...a nice gun to tote if walking all day...and the ten ga is lite too at 8 1/4 lbs...charlie

It's commonly known that 12-gauge Remington 1894 and 1900 double-guns were typically targeted with 1-1/4 ounce of #8 hard shot and the "pellet counts" were stamped on the barrel lug.

How about 16-gauge Remington 1894 and 1900's? The pellet count numbers don't seem to correlate with the choke constrictions unless you cipher using 1-1/8 ounce of #8 shot. But the max 16-gauge period loads topped out at 1-ounce of shot. Last I read, no Remington hang tags have surfaced that would show the load and specifics for targeting 16's. So with that in mind, who has what thoughts on these 16-gauge pellet count numbers?

Here is a picture of my 16 ga model 1894.
Ken

Thank you Ken. Your 295/300 correlates with strong Full choke in both barrels if targeting had been done with 1-ounce of chilled 8’s. Out of curiosity do you know the decimal constrictions in both barrels?

There were 409 #8s per ounce, so 300/409 = 73.3% and 295/409 = 72.1%

I believe the 16-gauge guns were targeted with 1 ounce of #8s, but have yet to find a hang-tag to confirm that. My two 16-gauges are marked 293 (71.6%) left & 288 (70.4%) right, and 301 (73.6%) left & 246 (60.1%) right.

The pellet count tables in the Remington Arms Co. catalogs of the period give counts for 40%, 60% and 75% but show patters labeled Cylinder, Modified Choke and Full Choke.

Just to keep us confused, Remington Arms Co. put recommended maximum powder charges on the back of their hang-tags for all three gauges, but no mention of shot charge?!? This tag shows the old Laflin & Rand dense smokeless powder --

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By this tag they have moved on to the L & R Infallible --

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I agree, it seems logical that 16 bore Remington 1894 and 1900 guns would have been targeted using 1-ounce loads of # 8c shot by count in the 40 yard/30" circle.

Then we look at the Remington 1900 barrels pictured on page 51 of the DGJ, Volume 28/Issue 2. Note the pellet count of 228 for the right barrel and accompanying comment by the respected Remington double-gun author, Terry Deem, that 228 indicates an original "Improved Cylinder" aka 1/4 choke. He also states that a pellet count of 268 would be correct for "Modified" choke.

But we remember that IC is defined as 45% efficiency in the 30" circle at 40 yards. Now then, if 1-ounce loads had been used for targeting ..... 228/409 = 55.7% or almost Improved-Modified (3/4 choke).

Mr Deen ciphered using 460 pellets in 1-1/8 of # 8c shot to ID that 228 right barrel choke but that still doesn't work out. 228/460 = 49.6% or actually about "Modified" or what was called 1/2 choke.

All this math is confusing. To further our knowledge of these great Remington double-guns it would be nice if 16-gauge 1894/1900 owners would post the pellet counts AND the actual constrictions for each choke. That in turn would allow us to correlate and with a large enough sample size, to work backwards to the pellet size and maybe even that a different distance was used when these 16 bore guns were targeted and stamped for pellet count.

My 16-gauge KE-Grade that is stamped 288 right and 293 left is .024" in both barrels. This gun is 1909 vintage by Charles Semmer's serial number chronology.

My 16-gauge DEO-Grade that is stamped 246 right and 301 left is .014" right and .032" left. This gun is 1905 vintage.