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Frank Srebro 07-01-2012 09:09 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I'll tell my wife that the pic backdrop went over well. I've never fired the Super 10 that has the HRBP, so I can't comment about the difference in perceived recoil versus a kick pad.

The Super 10's are NID (New Ithaca Double) guns - not the earlier Flues model. And not to be confused with the later heavier Ithaca Magnum guns made for 3-1/2" shells. The Ithaca NID is an excellent design, similar to A H Foxes with a rotary bolt engaging a slot in the top rib extension.

Personally I'd rather hunt with a vintage 10 gauge like the Ithaca, than with a modern 10 gauge SxS that's compatible with steel shot. I'll use bismuth, Nice or similar non-tox for waterfowl, and regular lead shot for turkeys and predators.

A couple of final pics: This one shows the Super-X type shells these Super 10's were adapted to.
http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/...7/IMG_9165.jpg


Next one shows an excerpt from Askin's excellent 1929 book, Modern Shotguns and Loads, commenting on his test Super 10 after doing extensive velocity and pattern testing ..... "nearest I ever came to an 80 yard gun".
http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/...7/IMG_9115.jpg

Will Gurton 07-01-2012 09:43 PM

Pre-Parker Remington Short 10
 
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Still in the process of acquiring the proper loading equipment, but by all means intend to be among the counted.:bowdown:

1906 Remington 1894 CEO.

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Will

Pete Lester 07-02-2012 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Will Gurton (Post 73179)
Still in the process of acquiring the proper loading equipment, but by all means intend to be among the counted.:bowdown:

1906 Remington 1894 CEO.

Attachment 16368

Will

If/when you acquire that C grade Remmy 1894 (A C grade 10 would be about as common as hen's teeth) I would like to see more pictures here. Graded Remingtons had some beautiful engraving. Good luck.

Will Gurton 07-02-2012 07:38 AM

CEO 10 Engraving
 
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JB,

I have the gun. I am in the process of acquiring a loader so that I can afford to shoot it. LOL

Will

Pete Lester 07-02-2012 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Will Gurton (Post 73189)
JB,

I have the gun. I am in the process of acquiring a loader so that I can afford to shoot it. LOL

Will

Congrats, you are going to enjoying loading for it. I assume you have seen my links on the how to and load data? What a great gun, I should have put on a drool bib before looking :-) Fluid steel barrels to boot and ejectors. Puts my B grade Remmy 10 to shame :crying:

Craig Larter 07-02-2012 08:10 AM

I have had a ball loading and shooting the short tens. Not Parkers but here is picture of my Elsies, 10ga Ideal top, 10ga Quality 3 middle, 10ga Pigeon bottom. The Pigeon is one of 4 10ga Pigeons and the only one with 30" barrels and they are nitro steel.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...0gaLCSmith.jpg

Grantham Forester 07-02-2012 08:25 AM

Confusion on letter Grades- 10 Parker
 
Just saw a auction bid for a Parker 10- number 3 frame, serial number 58903- 30" Damascus barrels, double triggers, regular buttplate. What is strange, to me anyway, is the letter grade. I have learned that H stands for hammerless, and an E means automatic ejectors, as on my VHE 12. But this older Parker 10 is described as EH grade. How does that compare to the VH, PH, GH, DH etc. line-up? Would this be safe to shoot with the shorter RST low pressure loads?

Pete Lester 07-02-2012 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Grantham Forester (Post 73194)
Just saw a auction bid for a Parker 10- number 3 frame, serial number 58903- 30" Damascus barrels, double triggers, regular buttplate. What is strange, to me anyway, is the letter grade. I have learned that H stands for hammerless, and an E means automatic ejectors, as on my VHE 12. But this older Parker 10 is described as EH grade. How does that compare to the VH, PH, GH, DH etc. line-up? Would this be safe to shoot with the shorter RST low pressure loads?

EH is a 10ga Grade 2 (GH)

NH is a 10ga Grade 1 (PH)

In the late 1800's and early 1900's those grades in 10ga were $5 more than same grade in any other gauge so Parker gave them a separate designation, EH and NH. Sometime in the early 1900's those designations were dropped. Generally safe to shoot but each gun must be evaluated on it's own merits, barrel wall thickness is the critical factor.

Mark Ouellette 07-02-2012 08:29 AM

Grantham,

EH Parkers were Grade 2 made in 10 gauge. Later Parker also made 10 gauge Grade 2's as GH guns. I own several EH guns and two or three GH 10 gauges.

Mark

Larry Stauch 07-02-2012 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig Larter (Post 73191)
I have had a ball loading and shooting the short tens. Not Parkers but here is picture of my Elsies, Ideal top, Quality 3 middle, Pigeon bottom. The Pigeon is one of 4 10ga Pigeons and the only one with 30" barrels and they are nitro steel.

Those are a double WOW!!

Very nice guns.


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