Research Letter?

[John Taddeo]

Chuck or ? . I have just recieved a letter on a Vh and noticed the Special instructions were "Lt" and "Short stock" . Dumb question here but am I thinking the Lt stands for "lite" . The letter also states L.O.P of 13.750, was that to be considered short. I hope I am not asking something stupid on the "Lt" but Im just drawing a blank.

[Chuck Bishop]

John,

Don't take this the wrong way when I say, "I don't interpret what they meant, I just write what is written." The note is abbreviated Lt. and also "short stock."

The Lt if it refers to light, could refer to the total weight if 5 lbs 11 oz is light for a 28ga. It could also mean to use a small frame size. I don't know what is considered a light weight 28ga. It could also mean light colored wood. 13 3/4" is on the short side but not overly so.

Hopefully others will chime in.

P.S. I sent you an e-mail to your e-mail on record with the PGCA.

Chuck

[John Taddeo]

One more dumb question, How would they make one 0 frame 28 any lighter than another of the same configuration(in other words ,why the special note).The wood is really the same or a little darker than my others. I understand the interpretation issues and I am appreciative of the work you guys do, as I am sure are many others.

[Dean Romig]

28 Gauge Parkers were originally built on the 0-Frame which was later replaced by the 00-Frame in the 28 gauge guns. There may have been a period during which the buyer could have specified either frame size depending on a desired weight. The serial number of your gun may help to answer the question of "Lt." as regards frame size.

[John Taddeo]

Dean, Its a 0 frame . I just wondered if this showed up often while doing letters.

Chuck,email sent.

[Dave Noreen]

Parker Bros. did all kinds of wierd and wonderful stuff whan it came to weight and balance. My Grandfather's 1890-vintage PH-Grade 12-gauge was on a 3-frame but with 30-inch Twist barrels that swamped in very fast, so that it weighs 8 pounds 8 ounces. Lots of weight between the hands. My 1889 GH-Grade is on a 2-frame, and with its 30-inch Damascus barrels which are very straight, weighs a fraction of an ounce over 9 pounds and is very weight foreward.

Years ago when Kevin and I made a road trip to compare his GH-Grade "Grandma's Gun" Damascus barrel 28-gauge with one of its three siblings, the one gun had a very typically 0-frame size stock while the other had a larger, more typically 1-frame size stock, though both guns were 0-frame. Unfortunately, that doesn't show very well in the only picture I have to record the event --

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Ansleyone/Parker/GrandmasGunandHerSister.jpg

[Bill Murphy]

Some early William Wagner orders for 28 gauge guns specified "light". I don't think the resulting guns were much different from standard weight. Who ordered your gun?

[Chuck Bishop]

Bill, Kevin looks basically the same but boy have you changed:eek:

[George M. Purtill]

Bill, Kevin looks basically the same but boy have you changed:eek:

That's harsh.

[John Taddeo]

It was H.C. Reed co. who placed the order. I couldn't find much of anything on them on Google.

[Bill Murphy]

Chuck, that ain't anyone's Bill. That's the guy who owns the Damascus 28. I don't own one of those.

[Chuck Bishop]

Oops, sorry Bill, I thought you posted the picture. Anyway, Kevin looks very good! He hasn't aged one bit:rotf:

[John Taddeo]

unless I am seeing it wrong ,the gun in the back has quite a smaller statured stock. Are these both 0 frame guns?

[Dave Noreen]

That was my point. Both guns are Damascus barrel 0-frame GH-Grade 28-gauges, very close in serial number and the one has a much larger stock than the other. I don't have the other gentleman's name with me, but he was from the Pittsburgh, PA area. He drove west from the Burgh and Kevin and I drove up from Virginia and we met at a rest area to compare the two guns. I seem to recall hearing his GH-grade later moved west to Missouri.

[edgarspencer]

Can you imagine the stir you'd create if you took out two guns at a rest area today? You'd be all over the 11pm news.

[John Taddeo]

Well, I will assume then as the "Lt" would represent lite. I think your picture shows a difference that one wouldn't need a caliper to tell the difference.

[Mark Conrad]

I am sure Lt is referring to weight. It is in the space where a weight would be entered. So,instead of a requested weight, the buyer is asking for a gun lighter than normal. To make a gun lighter PB would take metal out of the barrels and stock. Mark

[Gerald McPherson]

Is the stock under the but plate bored out? Some guns are. I found hunting lisence from 1917 inside one.

[John Taddeo]

No, its solid . But thats not a bad idea as I have backtracked a few times to find my license swinging from a crabapple limb. Damn pin clasps...:cuss:

[Bob Brown]

Edgar, I guess the reaction you get when looking at guns in a parking depends on where you live. I've done it up here and never given it a second thought. Then again, they still bring trappers into the public schools here to teach the kids about conservation on the trapline and basic trapping skills. I doubt you see that much down south.

[George M. Purtill]

[QUOTE=Bob Brown;94273]Edgar, I guess the reaction you get when looking at guns in a parking depends on where you live. QUOTE]

I used to laugh at retired trooper who went to law school with me in CT in 1981-84when he would say that CT could be the first place in the country to ban all guns. I am not laughing now.

[allen newell]

I gave a 'beaver stick' that I picked up in northern Maine this past season that was about 18 inches long, was chewed by the beaver on both ends and gave it to mone of my grandsons. Thought he'd take it to school to use as a talking piece as that week they were discussing animals in class. His teacher refused to let him bring it into the school saying it could be used to bludgeon another child. This is the thinking these days in Massachusetts. What a wonderful world we live in today...

[Dean Romig]

They've about lost all common sense... or at least all common sense that was theirs (and everybody's) at birth. Human genetics are being manipulated by the socially and politically "correct" and we see the differences being made with each generation. God help us.

[John Dallas]

When I was in the 7th grade, (a long time ago) I took my 20 gauge 11-48 Assault shotgun (with Polychoke) to class to give a speech on Duck Hunting. This was in a Quaker school. No issues.

[Daryl Corona]

In college, 1969, I enrolled in a public speaking class and for our final grade we had to give a speech which included a demonstration. Our teacher gave us some hints as to what to do to make our speech more interesting. Give it on something you love. So... I brought my newly aquired S&W K-22 Masterpiece in and proceeded to give a brief history lesson on Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson, the nomenclature of the pistol and the proper way to clean a revolver. Noone blinked an eye at the sight of that pistol and this was'nt a farming community. It was a suburb of Baltimore. It's pathetic how we have lost control of of common sense and allowed people who are afraid of something to dictate our standards. By the way I still have that K-22, original box and vapor paper that it came with.

[Dennis V. Nix]

Even in upstate NY where I graduated from high school (This is the same Putnam County that refused to give names of gun owners to the Liberal press) my twin brother and I used to take guns to school for demonstrations. During hunting season we would take shotguns or .22 rifles and ammunition to school on the school bus. The bus driver asked if we were hunting after school and said he sure wished he could go with us as we hunted on the farm of a classmate. We took another school bus to her farm and then walked home on the main highway after dark. Nobody ever said anything about it. The guns and ammunition were stored in the coat room at the back of the classroom during the day. They were never locked up from anybody and always remained safe. Our society has gone completely bonkers with zero tolerance attitudes and nobody being capable of making a decision. Our Congress on both sides is incapable to simply say, "NO", to more spending so continually kicks the can down the road hoping it will go away. Studies prove that of all weapons in use the so called Assault Rifle is the least dangerous according to use. Yet idiots want to ban the possession of them and high capacity magazines thinking it will do some good. They seem to forget that even if magazines were limited to even 5 rounds somebody can simply carry more magazines. God help us all is right.

Trust me, I know the dangers of firearms having been in the USMC, law enforcement and corrections. My son also committed suicide with a 9mm pistol I had given him. Do I blame the gun or me? No I don't. I blame my son for starting to use drugs which put him on a path to self destruction.

Dennis

[edgarspencer]

That's a very sad thing you've suffered, Dennis. It's a parent's greatest fear today that something will happen to their kids. They're supposed to bury us, not the other way 'round.
I, too took my gun to school. Even kept it in my dorm room in college, no issues with the admin.
I used to ride my bike over the hill to the next town and shoot chucks on the farms for the farmers. No one blinked seeing a kid go down the road with a scoped rifle on his back.

The following comes via VERY reputable source:
There was NO assault rifle used in the Sandy Hook school shooting. A first responder saw the shooter's mother's AR on the backseat of his car, and this was reported within the first few hours. After the 2nd day, no such story was ever reported, and it ballooned into an assault rifle being used. I have the greatest disdain for freshman Senator Blumenthal (CT) He was an arrogant liar when he was CT's Atty General, and he's doing what he does best in Washington now; Grandstanding. This classic case of the media following orders and reporting an agenda, rather than a news story reminds me of the night TWA 500 went down off Long Island NY. MANY independant witnesses reported seeing a ground-to-air light trail, such as a missle would have, but the next day, they were shut up.

[Daryl Corona]

Dennis;
Thanks for your service. Your son's death is a tragedy which I can't even comprehend. I'm truly sorry. My 93 year old grandmother was killed on Christmas eve 20yrs ago while crossing the street to mail X-mas cards by a drunk driver. Do I blame the car or the alcohol? Drunk driving and drugs have been illegal for decades and are the real killers of our young people but our corrupt politicians do nothing to curb it. We can locate and kill some raghead thousands of miles away with a drone and you can't tell me our govt. does not know who the drug kingpins are and where these drugs are coming from. You'll never convince me that they don't have their fingerprints all over the illegal drug trade. They could send a drone in every day or so and vaporize them and their operation. No...wait a minute, let's just pass another law. That will solve the problem.

[E Robert Fabian]

Daryl you are one the few people I know who have come that conclusion. Referring to the drug trade. While in the Coast Guard in early 80's, I was on a CG cutter that was preforming drug interdiction of the coast of Florida it became very obvious to me we where protecting other peoples interests.

[Dennis V. Nix]

I am one of those people who was brought up to believe the government was protecting the interests of the people it represented. After the reign of the Clintons I began to see things differently. I won't revolt or do anything stupid but I no longer trust the government in any form or on either side of the aisle. I see the House of Representatives balance the budget but then the Senate, lead by Harry Reid, simply doesn't bring up the bill so it can be voted on. How does one man have the power to simply say the bill will not come up for a vote? Both sides say they want to stop spending but yet nobody stops spending. When unemployment is probably our biggest problem I have yet to hear President Obama speak of doing anything to grow the employment numbers in America. I hope I am wrong but my belief is there will be rioting in the streets just like in Greece and then the President will step in with martial law to take over the country. Always remember, don't watch what they say. Watch what they do.

Dennis

[Mark Ouellette]

Dennis,

I left the M-16A2 with the Corps when I retired a decade and a half ago. Because of this idiocy over assault rifles I may just buy an AR-15 and a half dozen magazines just because I can.

Semper Fi,
Mark

[Dennis V. Nix]

Mark, Semper Fi. I have to tell you (as you know already) nothing brings more pride in my past than my service in the USMC. Thanks for your service over so many years. I only did my 4 years and then got out in 1968 after 2 tours in Vietnam with HMM-265 at Marble Mountain and Northward from there.

I bought my first AR-15 not because I really wanted one but because the 1994 gun ban was about to come up. Until Barack H. Obama came onto the scene Bill Clinton was the biggest gun dealer of all time. Like you I hate to have a government tell me I can't have something that I am going to use safely. I bought an M1-A for the same reason. Now that I have the AR I use it for coyotes, ground squirrels, prairie dogs, etc. If the time comes that I need it for self defense I have it. No matter what the anti gunners say it is a superb hunting rifle. What really angers me though is the anti gunners don't simply want Assault Rifle looking guns. They want them all. In the past I have heard anti gunners who wanted hunting rifles with scopes because they were really sniper rifles in disguise. 50 caliber rifles like the Barrett are also going to be under attack because they are a heavy rifle. It makes no difference that nobody would ever use one for a crime. It looks assault rifle ish if you know what I mean. There is no satisfying these idiots. Semi auto shotguns then pump shotguns and finally side by sides will be taken if we don't all stand up to these gun grabbers and don't give an inch at any time.

For those of us who don't like the Assault Rifle types (and that is fine) you really should stand up for mine because your Parker will be next if you don't.

Dennis

[Fred Preston]

In 1958 I turned in my Garand, presented my papers at the main gate, and went on to the next chapter. Not counting my 1911, I haven't had a military type firearm since until two years ago when a friend persuaded my to try his AR15. I was really surprised at how well it handled; an easy carry, negledgible recoil, geometry that kept you on target after the shot and MOA groups. So, I got a basic S&W M&P and fixed it up with a better grip, a 10 shot mag for field use, my old Lupy 3-9 scope and a Chip McCormic trigger. It's just the thing for targets, ground hogs and coyotes.

[Daryl Corona]

Mr. Fabian;
I've long believed that our Govt. is corrupted from the top down. They have had their hands in this drug war for 40+ years. Baltimore is known as the heroin capital of the country and the local and fed. govt. just give the "war" lip service. Answer me this... Why do you need a background check to buy a gun but not to be the POTUS?
Dennis;
I've been self employed since I got out of college. I've always distrusted the govt. and have absolutely no respect for career politicians after having to deal with their mind numbing regulations and knee jerk reactions. They do nothing but line their pockets with our money, have superior health and retirement benefits that the rest of us have no chance of ever receiving. I resent that to the Nth degree. I produce. They are destroying the country I love and the way of life that is the finest in the world. Right now I'm going to fight the fight for my grandchildren. They will NEVER take my guns. I want my Gkids to enjoy my Parkers, 1911's and AR's. Everyone MUST bombard their local and federal reps. with e-mails, phone calls and letters.