Quail Gun, 20ga

[Bruce Day]

Lots of talk recently about 24" barrels, 1/2PG and checkered butt stocks.

Here are all three together in one gun.

Interesting choke description on this gun. The 1910 order book says to choke to provide "good" patterns at 25 and 30 yards. As measured today, they are .006 and .010. This gun was patterned by Parker with 3/4 oz , 2 dram loads.

This makes a good quail and woods grouse gun. I've sometimes used it for pheasant but the charge is a little light for wild birds at distance so I don't use it much.

[Rick Losey]

once again - thanks for sharing a unique Parker most of us would never see otherwise

[Eric Eis]

Bruce, send it my way, I'll test it on grouse in the northen woods and get back to you after a few years of testing to see if it patterns correctly. :)

Send me a pm for my address......Eric

[Jay Gardner]

Once again Bruce you post photos of a gun that takes my breath away.

[Dean Romig]

Bruce, isn't your little Damascus gun 24" also?

[Bruce Day]

The one you are thinking of is a 1904 CHE 20/26 Damascus. Patterned by Parker with 7/8oz, 2 1/4 dre. It has original chokes at left full, right IC. The combination of full and IC chokes occurs frequently in Parkers intended for upland game use.

When we compare the guns, we see in this instance Parker used a lighter patterning load on a fluid steel gun than a damascus gun, both 0 frame 20's and generally comparable intended usage.

[Dean Romig]

The one you are thinking of is a 1904 CHE 20/26 Damascus. Patterned by Parker with 7/8oz, 2 1/4 dre. It has original chokes at left full, right IC. The combination of full and IC chokes occurs frequently in Parkers intended for upland game use.

Yes, you're right Bruce.

When we compare the guns, we see in this instance Parker used a lighter patterning load on a fluid steel gun than a damascus gun, both 0 frame 20's and generally comparable intended usage.

That's very interesting and I wonder if it is significant in how Parker Bros. may have perceived the strength of the different barrel steels to be.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Bruce, I will dig out my old hammer gun 3416 and take some photo,s. It is in a wooden case with two sets of barrels, 30" damascus and 24"twist, each has a forend and the "bow tie" checking on them, maybe monday when I get back from the gun show, was thinking about taking it to sell, has mirror bores in both barrels. Gary

[chuck brunner]

Bruce -- here is a couple of photos of "My" girl -- 26" ballgrip che 20 with those damn damascus barrels choked ic/full. This the best shooting Parker I have ever owned. Rich Anderson wants to trade dog flesh and a hard working woman for her:shock:
Only 1 problem, Traci shoots the lights out of it and has sworn it to personal use!

[Jay Gardner]

Chuck that is an exquisite Parker. Just beautiful.

[chuck brunner]

Jay I appreciate that -- Its is everything in a quail gun I have ever wanted.

[Bruce Day]

Chuck, you've probably seen photos of my C 20, its the one with rondell side panels and the wood duck on the floor plate. Skeleton butt, PG. Charlie has one with high condition case colors and deep cut engraving that is drop dead gorgeous and ranks as one of the most attractive Parkers I have seen . There are not many of these guns, about 4 or 5 by my less than perfect count.

Yours is a beautiful gun, every one of these I have seen has been highly interesting and wonderful work. You know how rare these are and how sought after they are.

Mine is still in its A&F oak and leather case with silver A&F New York oil bottles and snap caps, which is kind of nice. We'll have them at Minneapolis Pheasant Fest Feb 15-17 and the NRA Houston show May 3-5....we could use your help???? Good venue for selling guns also. Last year I saw a pair of 28ga D's change hands for way more than I thought rational and the oil market has been good for Houston.

[chuck brunner]

Bruce
I have seen your gun -- gorgeous, the rondell scenes are 1 of my favorites. Rich has a rondell engraved C 16 with bernard steel barrels that is gorgeous as well. These "C" grade guns in my opinion are some of the prettiest of all the parkers and the rarest as well. I believe you are right about the damascus "C" 20ga guns at possibly 6. Not many around. I will look into coming out and shooting with you guys. How did the trip to the sand hills end for you guys

[Bruce Day]

Horrible range fires this year, so cancelled, but on for 2013. We are working on the L C Smith boys to get Frank to enter a team.....got to be a walker with stamina, able to walk 5 to 10 miles/day uphill and down. Probably room for another Parker team if people want to put something together, but Team Parker is full.

Here is my 16 Bernard and a few Nebraska photos.

The gun on the ground is C Bernard with vent rib. Kind of a rare gun too. For the stock fence line up, I shot the old Bernard hammer gun in an Annie Oakley line and held my own in a high stakes money game against modern guns for quite a while. Next year....

[charlie cleveland]

i really like the top picture the rest are good but the top picture is the best one youve ever took in my opinion... a truly good picture... charlie

[chuck brunner]

Bruce
The mid west got its rear kicked this year with drought , high heat and fire. Traci and I have hunted SW Kansas for quail for the last 10 years and put off our annual pilgrimage this year due to a lack of birds. This is sad to me as the hunting was really starting to get good.

[Bruce Day]

You don't like the dogs and old what's his name? The dogs are pretty good looking.:)

[Craig Parker]

4 out 5 ain't bad but they said it all they had to work with:rotf:
Hi Mike:bigbye:

Craig

[chuck brunner]

This was the last trip out west last fall- traci and I run our pointers early on sharptail (North Dakota) and head south to kansas for quail. The che 20ga with acme barrels made the trip. I am going to breed "Buster" my big male in the photo to Ed Bowens female this spring. Buster is one of the best handling and even disposition pointers we have owned and fabulous dog.

[Russ Jackson]

Great Pictures Chuck and Beautiful Pointers !

[chuck brunner]

Thank you Russ -- they are as you know the pride and joy of Traci and I. Lets pray we are going to be able to hang on to these great guns and dogs with the way things are heading. I cherish every moment with like friends and family.

[chuck brunner]

BTW -- Russ
where are the pics of that little che 20ga quail wand that you refuse to allow me to hold without your assistance:rotf:

[Russ Jackson]

Right here , You know ,I always double check my Gun Case before we part company don't you ?:rotf:, ! Bruce needs to post pictures of his little C 20 with the rondell engraving ,I just fell in love with that gun when I laid eyes on it !

[Dean Romig]

A wonderful CHE Chuck. Congratulations on finding that one!

[chuck brunner]

Thank you dean -- I shot the gun in Georgia last week -- I told traci it has everything I like in a parker for quail.

[Bruce Day]

Chuck, I ran Elhews for many years, now a hard driving Llewellin, four years old. I have a soft spot for hard charging pointers, may get another in a few years to team with the setter. I like dogs that move, a ground snuffler or plodder that won't bust brush doesn't do it for me.

[chuck brunner]

Russ if she comes up missing you know where I live. That is one of the sweetest little che's I have held. A real find:bowdown:

[chuck brunner]

We had both growing up. My Grandfather was a field trialer and ran all the old pointer bloodlines (Lester's Wahoo,Guardrail, Paladin Sue etc...) Now 50 years later I am running dogs out of these same bloodlines. It is really neat to have that connection back to my Grandfather. I love all breeds of gundogs and have owned all the pointing lines but the pointers really take me home. We will have to get together next fall and partake of the upland life.The female in the upper set of photos with my big male is elhew's little eunice out of snakefoot. She is one of the best grouse dogs I have ever hunted over! below is a couple of pictures of her littermate Traci's male dog "Wallace" which happens to be Rich's adopted birddog. Kansas quail and a mint ghe 28ga with a ball grip.

[Bruce Day]

Damn, Chuck. You bring a tear to my eye.

Shortstop, out of Snakefoot. A helluva big running, hard charging, alpha dog, first in line birddog. Cimarron County Kansas. Died in 2011.

Its my cell phone background image.

By the way, the last picture. Not too shabby, all three.

[chuck brunner]

Bruce
I would cry for a month to lose one of my dogs -- I had a damn fine dog that developed a stomach tumor this year out of Fibber Mcgee "Buddy" and it still pains me to go out to the kennel and not see him waiting for his turn! God bless these old warriors of the prairie and field. Buddy is in front with Buster backing. He was such a kind old soul

[Tony Ambrose]

I'll admit that it was the quail gun title that made me click on this thread....but it's the pointers that keep bringing me back!!

[Dennis V. Nix]

I would easily accept both guns. Just beautiful.

[Bruce Day]

Dennis, i'll be riding the Solvang Century March 8-10. Dragging guns along and shoot at SanMarcos and VAFB.

Is Bruce Nix in Lompoc related?

[Rich Anderson]

Chuck I'll be looking for my Quail gun at the Southern:rotf: Wallace might need a little northern vacation also.....just to get away from the bugs you know:whistle:

[chuck brunner]

Rich
guns come and guns go........divorce is forever! Good luck getting traci's little prince wallace:nono:

[Rich Anderson]

I thought friends were forever.......I know Wallace will never enjoy our Michigan winters but just in case I'll save a seat on the couch for him:)

[chuck brunner]

Oh he would enjoy the winters at the Anderson house, a couch and a few grouse along with a hot meal and a ear tickle are a rough life. Wally said his bags are packed:rotf: Momma said " not so fast"

[chuck brunner]

Tony -- the pointers keep me coming back as well. What a great sport we all enjoy!

[Rich Anderson]

She isn't hunting Quail (just because there arn't any) but there is no dust on Daisy:) The second picture was Gunner. There was no better companion.

[chuck brunner]

what awsome pics Rich -- this is why we do it

[Rich Anderson]

A good dog, a good gun a place to use both.....priceless. If I had to choose (oh the horror of such a thing) I'd take the dog every time:bowdown: