24" PHE 16

[Richard Flanders]

Here's the 1926 #1-frame steel-bbld 24" PHE 16 I just got from Trigg. I can't remember how many were made in this configuration but not many. It's been carried a bit but has not been shot much. It locks up very tight and the lever is still to the right. Ejectors are perfectly timed and strong. Bores are mint. Wood very nice and finish good. A good honest Parker that has generations of use yet to come. Perfect dimensions for me and balances very nice. I swore I wasn't going to get into the 16ga game but I've always liked this gun and Trigg still had and gave me back the case of 16ga ammo I gave him years ago.... I will be using some of them up next fall in Minnesota.

Just measured the chokes. Seems choked Cyl/Cyl. Maybe they've been opened. Not enough light yet to get a good look down the bbls. Should be deadly on woodcock and grouse in heavy cover...

[Dave Suponski]

What cool gun Rich! Congratulations...

[John Havard]

Very nice!

[charlie cleveland]

looks like youve got a keeper there..nice gun and i think i would like the short barrels and open chokes for birds..what does she weigh... boiy and a case of shells with the gun you ca not beat that... charlie

[Jim DiSpagno]

Very nice, originally came with 28" barrels. Enjoy it. Jim

[Dean Romig]

That'll definitely be a good early season Minnesota gun!!

Hey Suponski - I like your new avatar photo very much!
I won't embarass you and ask who won the SBT match.....:whistle:

[Dave Suponski]

No problem Dean, "Da kid" got his butt handed to him. And I was shooting Chucks gun!

[Bill Murphy]

Why would you shoot Chuck's gun? What's that all about?

[Rich Anderson]

Rich what a great Grouse/Woodcock gun and it will handel those Haymarsh Pheasants just fine. If you get to MN you might want to make a side trip to the U.P. Grouse camp located in Channing in the heart of bird country.

[Dave Suponski]

Bill, Danny was shooting "His" SBT. We only have one. I know I know its time to get another one. Hey Chuck we need to talk......:rolleyes:

[Mills Morrison]

Ed Muderlak did a great article on short/cut barrels in an older Parker Pages. Are the barrels on this PH originally 24 inches?

[Richard Flanders]

Good question. I thought they were but am not sure now. There is no choke and someone posted that they were originally 28". Am waiting for someone to tell me what the "book" says. They look correct. They touch at the muzzles and keels are in place and the rib blank looks right, not like it was made by grinding the matting off. When Trigg bought it he did so thinking they were original. It balances about 1" rear of the hinge pin.

[Mills Morrison]

The book does say 28, but that does not mean it will not make a good gun as is. I have an EH with cut barrels that I love to shoot.

[Chuck Bishop]

Suponski, "From my cold dead hands"

You can be 4th in line after my daughters, nephew, then you.:bigbye::

[Dennis V. Nix]

That is a very nice gun indeed. Hunt well with it.

[Jean Swanson]

When I lived in Nashua,NH I purchased a PHE 28 bore with 24" barrels choked mod and full . I am a poor shot and I could not hit a damn thing with it . I had Herb Stretemeyer form Hollis, NH open the chokes to .004 and.014 . I use the gun now for woodcock and grouse and it is deadly. A great little gun in thick cover and light enough to easly carry in one hand in the thick grouth of cut over land.

[Mills Morrison]

Now that sounds like a nice gun



When I lived in Nashua,NH I purchased a PHE 28 bore with 24" barrels choked mod and full . I am a poor shot and I could not hit a damn thing with it . I had Herb Stretemeyer form Hollis, NH open the chokes to .004 and.014 . I use the gun now for woodcock and grouse and it is deadly. A great little gun in thick cover and light enough to easly carry in one hand in the thick grouth of cut over land.

[edgarspencer]

0 framed and even one frame 16ga barrels will still be touching several inches back from the muzzle. I was sure that a 24" 0 frame 16ga lifter I had, had not been cut, but it had no choke, and book said it was originally 28".

[Dean Romig]

Book - schmook... Get a letter. The S&I book says my 28 ga. DHE has 28" barrels but the Order Book confirms their 24" length.

[Richard Flanders]

I think you're right Dean. This thing looks a bit too right to be a chop job done at NAPA... It has to be worth a letter. Tx for the prod; I'd been thinking just that.

[edgarspencer]

The Serialization book said my 24" 16 was 'sposed to be 28". I got a letter that also said 28", and I was convinced from the physical evidence that the gun was right as rain. There was order book and stock book info, so I accepted what the letter said. Was I too trusting of the letter? Isn't the data available to the researcher the same data that was used to publish the Ser. Book?
However, I'm not going to believe the book on that GH you were holding last Saturday, Dean. It says the gun is an ejector gun, and I don't know how someone could chop out ejectors, add to extractor fore ends, and remove trips from the action.
The table on the top right of page 268 of TPS says there were NO 24" Steel barreled PH guns.
Do you trust TPS? Look at the lovely 20 bore hammer C grade with Titanic Steel barrels on all of page 295, and then go to the tables on page 298 and halfway down the left side of the page it says the ONLY TL C grade with Titanic Barrels was one 12 gauge.

[Dean Romig]

Never say never... even when it comes to questioning the "bible". Anything is possible.

[Bill Murphy]

The Serialization Book and the production figures in TPS were compiled from the stock books. At the time of the publication of TPS, the order books had not been copied or studied. Neither book covers all the bases. Once the order books were studied, much more information was available, but it was too late to include that information in the two books. The authors did use some little information from the order books for compilation of the charts in the appendix, but not for the "Grades" section as far as I am aware.

[Jean Swanson]

Bill :

Not to contradict you ,but it is my understanding that Roy Guther copied the stock books at Remington to establish the basic data base for the Parker Story , but he also went thru the order books an compiled basic info on guns of D grade and above .This info was used by Charlie Price to compile the techinical statistics for the Parker Story . After the Parker Story was published ,permission was granted by Remington to allow Fjestad to creat the publication of the "Identification & Serialization " using the info previously memtioned . In conclusion , the Identification & Serialization book contains more info than just stock books ,but has excluded ALL info contained in order books of grades BELOW D grade . This is from memory from being aroud the authors of the Parker Story . This should clarify some of the myth .

Either Charlie Price or Bill Mullins can varify this .
Respectfully
Allan

[Aaron Davis]

Hi Guys, I am a new member who just purchased a Parker. I knew nothing about them till I got this one. The serial # is 76614, which the chart says was made in 1893. It is a 16 gauge double barrel 28" long. The serial numbers match on all three pieces. The barrel has an 0 stamped on it. The other part has a C and a 3 with a little 10 beside it and up a little bit. It is not a very ornate gun, unless the engraving has been worn off over the years. There is also a fancy T with curves over the top and bottom. On the butt end of the stock, it shows a dog with a duck in its mouth. Can anyone out there tell me anything about this gun. I would really appreciate it.

[edgarspencer]

Aaron, the 'book' describes your gun as having plain twist barrels, so it is either a grade 0, or grade 1, Top lever hammer gun, 16 ga., 28" barrels. With an 0 frame it will likely, but not definitely, have a lightened water table (Grooves milled in the receiver flats which mate to the barrels. These are lovely shooting guns. I'll say it before the masses; Post pictures please!

[Aaron Davis]

It does have a 0 on the barrel and it also says Twist at the end of the name. Thanks for the info. I traded a $180 dollar 22 pistol for it and was hoping I didn't get stuck. I'll try and figure out how to post the pictures. Thanks for the info.

[Brian Stucker]

That would be an awesome teal gun in the rice fields. They just take your hat off when the fly by, and that gun might swing quick enough to stop 'em!

[edgarspencer]

It does have a 0 on the barrel and it also says Twist at the end of the name. Thanks for the info. I traded a $180 dollar 22 pistol for it and was hoping I didn't get stuck. I'll try and figure out how to post the pictures. Thanks for the info. I think you can get a six pack of $180 pistols for it. In the mean time, hang your head in shame, you lucky dog.

[Mills Morrison]

Unless the gun is in terrible shape, you got yourself a real deal.

[edgarspencer]

You know you can't shoot those old twist barreled guns. They'll blow up and put your eye out. Better get rid of it.:whistle:

[Aaron Davis]

Are you serious or just joking. I was going to get it checked out before I tried it, just in case.

[Dean Romig]

If the barrels check out to be safe you will really enjoy shooting that little Parker with the appropriate loads. Do you hunt? Do you shoot skeet or clays?

[Rick Losey]

Are you serious or just joking. I was going to get it checked out before I tried it, just in case.

he's kidding - get it checked by someone who knows his stuff, order a case of RST low pressure shells and have fun

[edgarspencer]

Are you serious or just joking. I was going to get it checked out before I tried it, just in case.
Yes, I'm kidding. A case of RST Lites, and you'll be hooked.

[Aaron Davis]

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A few pics of the 1893 16ga

[Aaron Davis]

I plan on having it checked out before shooting it. Thanks for the info on the ammo. I would have just bought a box off the shelf. I do like to shoot skeet, though I use the old trusty 870 for that.

[Rick Losey]

I plan on having it checked out before shooting it. Thanks for the info on the ammo. I would have just bought a box off the shelf. I do like to shoot skeet, though I use the old trusty 870 for that.

if it checks out, give it a try at skeet or clays, not only will it be fun, its also fun to see everyones reactions to the old pieces.

last time I shot five stand with my hammer gun the kid running the target controls kept staring at it. When I was done I held out the gun and some shells and asked if he wanted to give it a try. He smiled big and said yeah. I pulled some targets for him to shoot, and didn't have to ask if he had fun.

[Russ Jackson]

QUOTE=edgarspencer;92936] They'll blow up and put your eye out. :whistle:
A little Christmas Story Edgar ?? I Liked it ! :rotf::rotf:

[Richard Flanders]

Finally took muzzle pics of the PHE16. The bbls do not quite touch at the muzzles but there are seemingly keels in place. There's zero choke in either bbl. Does the matting look right? The line across is not a single clean line. There is slight bluing loss at both muzzle ends; not sure from what - perhaps from soldering in false keels?? No doubt these have been chopped, just a matter of whether it's factory or done at NAPA somewhere. I have a letter in the works. This gun did not come from a small shop that would not have known how to assess it's value and sold it on the basis of it being a very rare 24" P grade for a lot of money.

[Dean Romig]

Rich, I'm going with "factory".