Forum Concerns

[Leighton Stallones]

My friend Bill Faulk has received a surprise BAN from ever posting on this forum again, without any prior notice or explanation. He believes it is because he posted a political cartoon depicting Obama and Biden standing on front of the Titanic.
Maybe this was not the proper forum, but it sure does not sound like
a proper action by our moderators. I have known Bill for some time and he is
a gentleman and shotgun enthusiast and does not deserve this treatment.
I think whomever has banned him should respond to this with a clear explanation for this overreaction.

Leighton Stallones
Austin.Tx

[Steve Huffman]

It saddens me to hear this ! I am sure the man meant / wished no harm to anyone if that being the reason.

[Angel Cruz]

Leighton, I agree with you 110 percent! I think this "getting banned for life" crap is just that, crap. Unless the man threatened the life or health of any other person he deserves a warning and a second chance. I'm sure Everyone here has said a few words that they wish they had back.

[Bruce Day]

Perhaps Mr Faulk is able to call John Dunkle, and if he deems appropriate, tell him its crap and demand an explanation for what he considers an unfair overreaction to his numerous partisan political messages on a Parker shotgun general information forum.

Or, another approach he might consider, is to politely ask John what he might do to get back on the forum if that is important to him.

His choice.

[Leighton Stallones]

I doubt that he would call John DUnkle after this display of political arrogance.

[Brian Stucker]

No warning?

[Leighton Stallones]

No warning or other communication.

[Dean Romig]

Gentlemen,

Mr. Faulk has been warned on several occasions about his inflammatory posts and distasteful pictures and cartoons. His posting privileges have previously been suspended for three days with a clear explanation as to why. Mr Faulk has chosen to ignore (or challenge) these several warnings. The eventual outcome was thoroughly spelled out to him. I'm sure Mr Faulk is a nice guy but he seems to believe the rules of PGCA forum etiquette do not apply to him. It is unfortunate when it becomes necessary to ban someone from using the forum but it has never been done without just cause.

[John Dunkle]

Three strikes, and Bill was out.... Two warnings - and he ignored the third.... If someone reads the description of the Member Off Topic forum, perhaps one of you gents could tell me what it says about politics or political threads? I do believe it is in bold, and was and is - since the day I set that OT forum up.

If anyone told you he recieved no warnings (yes, that is plural), perhaps that same person shouldn't be on this forum.

Just from my end of the telescope.

Best to all...!

John

[John Dunkle]

And by the way.....

You can all read his first warning post here, which Bill changed the thread title to:

"Got the message"

Guess he didn't, not so much...

Here is that post/thread:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7330

Careful what folks tell you.

Have a great evening,

John

[Bruce Day]

I doubt that he would call John DUnkle after this display of political arrogance.

I'm sure you are right. Particularly after he told others he had received no warnings.

[calvin humburg]

I don't suppose many of us here need any influnce on which way we are going to vote anyway. I get tired of the political email. Honostly, I don't think you can change the mind with emails. Lost people are just that. Now back to it I bought a cool take down case from Mr. Lien stuffed my 28 inch 16 gauge in it. My 28 inch 12 will fit as well. Best ch

[Leighton Stallones]

Obviously, It appears that I received bad info about no warnings etc. from Bill.

[Mills Morrison]

I for one appreciate the no politics policy on this forum, even when I agree with a person's choice of candidate.

[Ray Masciarella]

When you sign up, you must follow the rules. If you don't like the rules, don't sign up. There is a forum for everything. If you like to talk politics, sign up on one of those forums.

With that said, censorship is a bad policy, IMHO. Tyrants are sponsors of censorship. Everyone is entitled to his opinion. They're just not entitled to have it accepted. If you don't like someone's opinion, disagree or ignore the thread.

I assume all of us here support our right to own firearms so why wouldn't we support anothers right to free speech? One right is no more important than the other. Politics is important. The choices we make have consequences. Why can't folks who want to talk politics do so in an Off Topic section? What is the real harm?

Aren't we talking politics when we discuss gun rights or game laws here? Those topics are political. Who should decide what political topics are appropriate for discussion here?

IMHO with no offense meant.

[Dean Romig]

Who should decide what political topics are appropriate for discussion here?

Our appointed Administrator and Moderator decide these things in keeping with the policies set forth by the PGCA BOD.

You said yourself that they should go to political forums to discuss political matters... we are not one of those forums.

[Mark Ouellette]

I am sorry that anyone got banned but our webmaster did warn him.

I like and admire my Parker friends because of our common interests in guns and hunting. I know that at least a few have vastly different politics than do I. That is okay with me because I like them as people and gun enthusiasts.

On some occasions one must simple agree to disagree with another person's beliefs. When we enter this Parker web domain it is one of those times. No politics, just guns!

Mark

[Ray Masciarella]

Dean

I know what I said, i.e. go else where to talk politics. I understand the policy. And I know who decides such things. My questions over "who decides" was intended to provoke thought, not contempt.

I don't think you and I disagree on what topics are appropriate here in accordance with the policy. I'm not sure of your point to me. I was merely expressing my thoughts on the wisdom of the policy. Is there no room here for an opinion regarding a policy? I also said "no offense meant", so if I did, pls accept my apology.

Best, Ray

[Dean Romig]

Ray, you and I are not at odds and there is no reason to apologize.

The BOD believes that the PGCA Forum should not be the vehicle for raising issues that tend to polarize people and incite contentious remarks that would tend to do harm to the good name of the gentlemen and ladies of the PGCA. We are all here to enjoy, discuss and learn about all things Parker as well as other guns and interests pertaining to shooting and hunting. Everyone should remember that it is a priviledge granted by the PGCA and moderated by two gentlemen that allows us all to share our interests here on the forum... as long as they stay within the Forum Rules.... which, by the way, are pretty broad.

[August Luchow]

And by the way.....

You can all read his first warning post here, which Bill changed the thread title to:

"Got the message"

Guess he didn't, not so much...

Here is that post/thread:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7330

Careful what folks tell you.

Have a great evening,

John

John,

I can't read it because I'm not a PGCA member. Bill Faulk is a member, and I hope that he reconsiders him membership, base upon your treatment of him. You can "warn" me that I have crossed the PGCA line. But, I don't care. I am sticking with my opinion that you have treated Mr. Faulk shabbily.

August

[Ray Masciarella]

The BOD believes that the PGCA Forum should not be the vehicle for raising issues that tend to polarize people and incite contentious remarks that would tend to do harm to the good name of the gentlemen and ladies of the PGCA.

Dean, You point out sound reason for the policy. Best, Ray

[Bill Murphy]

I can't figure out whether it is worse to be banned for bad behavior or to be banned for confronting others on their bad behavior. At least Mr. Faulk knows what category he is in.

[Brad Boyer]

That's right.....we don't need any political views expressed on these forums!! That's what makes them special, and different from what else is out there...compare ours with other gun related venues ...We keep it civil...After all, we are Gentlemen shooters!!! Let's remember that. Brad Boyer

[Christopher Piercey]

I don't see the point of political posts. I don't want to sway anyone's opinion because even if I disagree with their opinion, I wouldn't want people to try to change my mind. Treat others the way you want to be treated, you know?

[Dean Romig]

Compare ours with other gun related venues ...We keep it civil...After all, we are Gentlemen shooters!!! Let's remember that. Brad Boyer


That's right Brad and that's how we want to be seen by our members and by the many, many visitors who stop by for a look at who we are. We can easily be "Gentlemen" without being elitist or snobbish simply by being respectful of those who wish to visit here to be involved in the exchange of knowledge, experience and good times afield or at the traps. Those who wish to get involved in politics or smut or ethnic slurrs can find that sort of entertainment all over the Internet... just not here.

[George Lander]

And for much the same reason we should not post pro or con our favorite sports teams or which religon is the right one. There can never be a winner in either of those or in politics. JMHO

George

[calvin humburg]

I'm working on my gentlemenly qualitys. But being a farmer we tend to get kind of well... ya know people tend to look down on the working class so we get kind of defencive. But by gosh I be the one who stops and helps the stranded sole.

[Bruce Day]

but being a farmer we tend to get kind of well... ya know people tend to look down on the working class ....


Calvin, don't sell yourself short. A Kansas farmer is a small businessman who often has over a million dollars in land investment, a half million in equipment and another half million in buildings and storage. He runs a business that feeds over 200 people yearly and provides material for energy production.

[Dean Romig]

"The Salt o' the Earth" might I add.

[Mills Morrison]

Class is determined by character, not wealth or ancestry

[calvin humburg]

You fellows have a lot of character.

[Dave Suponski]

Calvin....And some of us are real characters....:)

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Class I lack, but I definitely am a character......

DLH

[charlie cleveland]

i thought you were first class destrey... now what... charlie