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[Gary Cain]

Did Parkers ever leave the factory with Hawkin pads attached?
Gary

[Dave Suponski]

Gary, Standard factory pads for Parker SC Trap guns were Hawkins. Also Parker regularly fitted any pad the customer requested...So the answer to your question is "yes" :)

[Gary Cain]

Thanks Dave: My Parker came with a Hawkins pad, but the gun had stood behind a curtain for decades and the pad was flatened out and the plastic part broke in half. I replaced it with a Pachmyer sporting clay pad, i would like to pick up an original Hawkins pad or a original dog head hard plastic pad.
Gary

[Dave Suponski]

Gary,You can pick up a repro Hawkins pad at Conn. Shotgun Mfg. Co. I think they have repro butt plates also. Both will require some fitting to your stock.

[Gary Cain]

Thanks again Dave i will keep that option open if an original doesn't come along. One more question would an original pad also need to be fitted?
Gary

[Dave Suponski]

Every once in a while a member will put up an original for sale here or sometimes they turn up on E-Bay. Regardless of original or reproduction they will almost certainly have to be fitted.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I've seen the repro ones and the originals, you really can't tell the difference once it's on the gun.

DLH

[Francis Morin]

Thanks again Dave i will keep that option open if an original doesn't come along. One more question would an original pad also need to be fitted Yes all pads even older ones need to be "fitted" or tweaked- Mine is the red with the Hawkins initials- the staggered vents and the black spacer- came from a 12 gauge Trojan- No. 2 frame- If you are interested (as we can sell such items here- just not the Trojans) no shotgun sales allowed-- I can give you the measurements- including center to center hole spacing, etc-- pad is near new- no sponging (I store my double shotguns muzzles down-pads or buttplates up- in my gun safe- by the by)--

In case you are wondering- this 12 Trojan Parker had a broken buttstock, so I salvaged the pad, and found a replacement with the std. black Non-DHBP- Trojan buttplate- had my gunsmith fit same to said Trojan- I'm a "farm boy" at heart- I have cigar boxes full of buttplates, recoil pads, screws, grip caps- even once had the butt section with the skeleton buttplate from a DH 12-- I never throw anything like those items out- never can tell when you might need one, right??:bigbye:
Gary[/QUOTE]

[Dave Suponski]

Francis,Galazan gets $30.00 for their reproduction Hawkins pad. So if its like new maybe $25.00 You be the judge...

[Francis Morin]

As Dave- a brother tool and die man has advised me of the Galazan's price of $30.00 (plus handling, packing, shpg.) and advised me that $25.00 would be fair if my pad is usable- and we have a new member possibly looking for same-I will offer it to him for $22.50 including shipping, and will full five day inspection option- here are the dims--in decimals (what we work with)-- OAL on black spacer 4.895" OAL on red pad face 5.060" developed angle at toe aprox. 31.5 degrees thickness including black spacer 0.8185" dia. of both through mounting screw holes is 0.178" and at red pad face (compressed 0.240"- no tears or rips or stress Logo is in all caps- HAWKINS - and in smaller case Caps- after the toe mounting hole PAT'D- pad has 11 vents equidistantly spaced triangluar shaped with a slight heart shaped dip or roll on the base leg- isoceles triangles I believe- This offer at $22.50 is ONLY for our new member-I think we all should "take the high road" with newbies- if they turn out to be Spammers or BOTs- we'll deal with that later- as in our system of jurisprudence- one is considered to be innocent first--:nono:

[Gary Cain]

Frances that sounds good to me, you don't happen to have the 2 screws to mount her with?

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Gary,

Unless a miracle happens, the pad will still take some fitting. As long as the outside dimentions are even with or larger than the butt of your gun it's fine.

DLH

[Gary Cain]

Well guys i checked the measurements this morning and the pad is undersized in the length. So i think i will stick with the sporting clay pad for now. You guys were all great, thanks a lot. Well i am off to shoot a couple rounds of skeet with my full and full choked Parker.
Gary

[Francis Morin]

Sorry the Hawkins pad is not quite the right size- as others have said here, better a bit oversized for the masking tape and buff down to fit proceedure-I sorta suspected it might be undersized, as the Trojan that wore it had a LOP of 13.625" from front trigger (a 3" DAH)- so even had that stock not been broken at the wrist and comb areas, I would have replaced it for a better fit- proper stock fit and trigger pulls are my "keys" to successful game shooting with a double gun- Several of my LC Smith 12 bores are Full and Full or Imp. Mod and Full-but I don't shoot skeet, and only occasional SC double gun events in the Non-Fall seasons--I have used the Poly-Wad spreaders and they pattern well, but a tad bit expensive for shooting clay discs that your dog can't retrieve or you can marinate in Vernor's Ginger Ale-sliced apples and brown sugar and bacon and grill in Reynolds' Wrap foil and have a better feast than any prime rib at the Lockerbie Club-or the DuQuense Club- or in your case Gary- the Canadian Club. I do have a Pachmayr solid brown pad from a Browning SBT (Kawasaki mfg.- the gun, not the pad) that might fit, but a Hawkins or a Silvers would be the most "correct"--and I have beaucoup screws, both straight slotted and Phillips head- if you need some-:bigbye:

[Gary Cain]

Thanks Francis i really appreciated all the time you spent with me. For now i will shoot it with the sporting clay pad that i had fitted to the gun, it fits me perfect.
Gary

[Gary Cain]

Francis my GH Parker serial no. 58304, would there be any info on it? I know it was made in 1889.
Gary

[Francis Morin]

You might want to check the serial number and grades listing on another area or perhaps consider getting a letter on your Parker-I am a "rookie" here, there are many PGCA members who have studied and researched Parkers from here to there and back, and know their Parkers: Among those are: Bill Murphy, Austin Hogan, Don Kaas, John Dunkle, Dave Suponski, Eric Eis, Bill Bolyard, Jent Mitchell III and Bruce Day- and for those others I omitted, my apologies- no slight meant on my part- but I have read and re-read many of their informed posts and learned from them and their experiences over the years. Many of these gentlemen also own, shoot and belong to the other double gun organizations, so their expertise extends beyond "America's Finest Shotgun" as well-

I'm more of a "shooter" than collector, historian or writer. If a double gun fits me, has two triggers, is a 12 gauge and shoots well for me- it's a "keeper". Items of interest to other members, such as mfg. date, case coloring, blueing, refinishing, restoring, are not in my baliwick, but there is indeed "something for everyone" here in the PGCA- and you are a welcomed member, whether you own a 16 ga. Trojan, a 12 ga. SBT, or a set of CHE grades in all gauges (Wow)-- or even no Parker gun at present- just being interested in a high grade hand made by the "old men with files and lampblack" is enough.

If I should come across a larger Hawkins or Silvers period pad that might work for your Parker, I'll so advise. My personal choice is pads has always leaned towards the solid red pads with the hole plugs- June 6, 1922 Patent Date and found on many pre-War Winchesters-:bigbye:

[Chuck Bishop]

Gary,

Your GH should have 28" barrels and a pistol grip stock, 12ga. There are factory records for this gun. Go to the home page, click on Research Letters, download the form and send it in. $60 for a non member and $40 for members. Consider joining the PGCA.

[Dave Suponski]

Francis,Thank you for naming me in your above post but there are quite a few guys on this BBS that continue to educate me on a daily basis and let us not forget Mr. Charlie Price and Mr. Bill Mullins co-authors of "The Parker Story" :)