2012 Vintage Cup

[John Truitt]

Once yall get settled please give us a run down of the weekend/ event/ targets/ turnout/ etc. Maybe some pictures.

Thank you.

Any word on where it will be next year?

[Larry Frey]

John,
Your presence was missed very much this weekend. The scores below for the Parker/Fox Challenge were posted yesterday on the other thread about the Vintage cup. Dave and I packed up the display and left around 1:00 today and the results from the main event had not been posted so hopefully some of the Parker shooters did better in that event. It was off and on light rain Friday and today while Thursday and Saturday were much better. Overall attendance was way down from two years ago when I last attended this event at Pintail Point. Everyone I spoke to was really impressed with the facility at Addiville but I have not heard if there are plans to return there next year. I'm sure Dave will post some pictures when he gets home and settled.

The top 5 Parker shooters were as follows;

Carl Harlan..............47
Dave Fjeline............40
Larry Frey...............40
George Purtell..........37
Raymond Roy...........37
Total Score............201

The top 5 A.H. Fox shooter's scores were;

Chuck Devinne........49
Jim Kline................44
Frank Srebro..........44
Bill Sanford............42
Paul Plunkett.........40
Total Score..........219

[Dave Suponski]

Photos added in to the "Presenting the Fox/Parker Challenge Cup" thread.

[George M. Purtill]

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Any word on where it will be next year?[/QUOTE]

It will be at Addeville for at least next 3-4 years. Ray and we Vintager members were very pleased and the weather had a large effect on attendance. We have made a committment to the Addeville folks and likewise.

[Dave Suponski]

Thank You for the update George and it was great meeting you finally....You sir are a hoot!

[John Truitt]

Scores from the 2012 Vintage Cup:

www.addieville.com/shootresults_all_scores/Vintagers/Vintagers12.htm

[Dave Suponski]

Why can't I open the link? I keep getting a "Page Not Found"

[George M. Purtill]

Dave dont bother. Believe me you don't want to see our scores.

[John Truitt]

Sir I dont know. It pops right up for me at the office and at home.

go to their home web site and pick tournament results. VC 2012 is at the bootm of the page.

[edgarspencer]

Thank You for the update George and it was great meeting you finally....You sir are a hoot!
I dunno Dave, He was pretty rough on me. I was just coming out of my shell, but it looks like it's back to therapy.

[George M. Purtill]

I dunno Dave, He was pretty rough on me. I was just coming out of my shell, but it looks like it's back to therapy.

Lou Flynn said you were still in therapy and that's why he was selling your guns.

[edgarspencer]

My guns are my therapy. Hell, I used to shoot lawyers when I got mad. If that's the thanks I get for all the deals I've given him, I might go back to lawyer shootin.

[Bob Roberts]

doubles pins for lawyers?:shock:

[Daryl Corona]

Larry, thanks for the rundown on scores. Great shooting guys. How about telling us what guns, chokes and loads you shot for the competition. To me that is just as important as the scores. Inquiring minds want to know,
Thanks!

[edgarspencer]

doubles pins for lawyers?:shock:

That would be too easy. Set your sights higher, go to the University Club, or any Golf club, and get a double-double. You won't need anything heavier than number 9, as they are so thin skinned.

[Larry Frey]

Larry, thanks for the rundown on scores. Great shooting guys. How about telling us what guns, chokes and loads you shot for the competition. To me that is just as important as the scores. Inquiring minds want to know,
Thanks!

Daryl,
I shot my 30" SG AA that I use for all the sporting and five stand events. It's choked Mod/Full and over the years I have found I get the best results with 7/8 oz loads. I think jamming less lead thru tight chokes allows for better patterns as well as more velocity and less recoil. The loads I'm using now give me 1300fps at 6100psi. These are a little stout for Deb and her SG BTFE CHE is choked IC/Mod so she shoots a 1oz load that gets 1225fps at 5300psi.

[John Truitt]

Mr. Frey,

When are we going to get you shooting a hammergun?

[Larry Frey]

John,
A steel barreled Hammer Gun is high on my list but it seems a couple of our members have been hoarding them all. I may end up having to make one up or take a chance on shooting those DANGEROUS Damascus barrels.:eek:

[Daryl Corona]

Larry;
Thanks for the info. I'm glad you like the 7/8oz load as I also feel that lighter payloads give better patterns and are easier on you and the gun. Let me know when you are ready to move up to the 3/4oz stuff. They are truly amazing in performance.

[Chris Travinski]

I used a 32" DHE that's full/full+ with the Remington STS light, they're 1 1/8oz. 1145 fps. It can be a challange for the close targets but it's great for the long reach, and I think there were more long shots than close ones. My score wasn't great, but it's not the guns fault. Next time I think a little warm up at the 5 stand before the sporting clays would help me out a bit.

[George M. Purtill]

In the American Classics, which is what the Parker/Fox Challenge was scored, I shot my CHE 12 scattergun. I say scattergun because it was built with 30 inch Titanics but now is a 26 inch gun on a 2 frame. So its cylinder all around. Great for skeet but not so hot for that Addieville course.
To help me around I had a pocketful of different loads- B&P 7/8oz x #8.5, Estate 1 1/8 x #9 and Sellier 7/8oz x #8. Next time i will use a DHE 30inch full/full and mix in some of the RST spreader loads. Devinne who shot a 98 for Cup and 49 for American Classics was a constant spreader user.

I shot my 10 bore O grade hammer with 32 inch BBLS until the right hammer screw was lost. Fjellene loaned me a gun but I cant shoot like him no way no how. Used RST #8 x 1 1/8oz exclusively.

[Chuck Bishop]

OK, who's going to be the first to try 1/2 oz loads:eek:

[George M. Purtill]

OK, who's going to be the first to try 1/2 oz loads:eek:

Not moi. Based on my scores I need MORE shot, not less.

[Dean Romig]

Larry, you have the perfect stature to shoot my 9 lb. 10 ga. grade 3 lifter and I'll bring it to Georgetown with me just for you.
At Addieville I shot RST 2 7/8" Lites with 1 1/8 oz #8. First time shooting it and I shot 66%.

[Dave Suponski]

I shot my GHE 30" 16 gauge in the hammerless event and finished 15th out of 31 entrants besting some pretty good shooters so I feel good about that. The gun is choked full/full and I used my spreaders.

For the challenge I shot my 12 gauge skeet gun and choked big time.But I didn't feel the course was to long for the chokes in the gun.

Dean and I then shot the 12 gauge course Dean using his great new 10 gauge and I used my 30" 20 gauge and we tied on birds killed. Why I didn't just shoot the damn 20 gauge in the Challenge.....Well hindsight being 20/20 and all that...

All in all a great event and a great time. Hopefully next year will have a bit less humidity....:rolleyes:

[Robin Lewis]

I went this year and was joined by my two sons and had a great day. Neither of them shoot or hunt and I think they enjoyed it to the point that the next time I ask they will be eager to tag along. Good stuff for me.

Anyway, I just returned from having a brew with one of my sons and we were talking about shooting sporting clays and he had a novel view point. He thought that sporting clays was being marketed wrong and they are missing out on a big business opportunity. I can see his point and want to share it here.

His thought was it should be more like paint ball or golf from a marketing point of view. If one people that didn't shoot wanted to try it or someone wanted to set up a bachelor party or a company wanted a bonding outing event, they can go play a round of golf or shoot paint ball but not sporting clays.

Why, because golf or paint ball has instruction for the uninitiated and equipment to provide to individuals in those kinds of situations. If a sporting clays location would advertise like the scaled Indy race car track South of Boston does or like paint ball courses do to get groups there, then they would get younger people involved and expand the exposure to sporting clays. But that would include having instructions for first time shooters and rental equipment (shotguns) too.

Much like golf, new people that never played get instructions so the feel knowledgeable and comfortable on the course their first time out and so to would new shooters on a sporting clays course. With rental equipment, someone that doesn't shoot can try it without investing money in a gun. This lack of equipment to "give it a try" probably stops lots of curious people from learning about sporting clays and limits our pool of shooters.

With a little marketing and a relatively small investment in some good reliable and inexpensive shotguns (Rem 1100 for example) and course instructors/monitors, the sport could really grow.

My sons had a great day and would do I believe will shoot many times in the future, but without me to provide a little guidance and provide the guns they would never have been exposed to sporting clays.

Thoughts?

[Dean Romig]

Yeah, I've got some thoughts Robin...

I think you and your son have 'nailed it' and I think this is a concept that should be passed along to places like Addieville East Farms, Hausmann's Hidden Hollow, Pintail Point, Backwoods Quail Club and any other larger scale shooting facility... perhaps some of them already do this - but it isn't something that is talked up much.

It would be like living the late twenties, thirties and forties all over again when the game of skeet caught on like wildfire. Most golf courses or clubs also had skeet and trap fields in those days and everybody encouraged everybody else to try it out. In those days skeet and trap shooting was extremely popular and I don't see why sporting clays can't be handled the same way today if enough people talk it up and get it going.

Thank you Robin. By the way, it was very nice to meet your sons... you must be very proud!!

[John Dallas]

Another approach - My son-in-law has fallen hard for sporting clays - (sorry - no Parkers) and has both hos boys shooting lots - perhaps too much, but that is another story. He has volunteered to help run a shooting club at his son's high school - nothing competitive, but at least there are about 20 boys who are learning safe and effective gun handling.

[edgarspencer]

I haven't been shooting Sporting Clays as long as most of you, but what little I have has been with others more experienced. Shooting at a friend's club in NY is more relaxed, and I have a host who is willing to take time for helpful instruction, which without, I'd be far worse than I am. However, the places open to the public where I have shot put pressure on the shooters to 'move along', discouraging me from asking for help, and slowing down the pack. Traditional Trap and Skeet clubs have many fields, and can dedicate one or more for instruction, but most SC courses don't have the real estate for more than 1 or 2 courses.
When I was in school, we had a riflery club and both trap and skeet. When I was asked to help out at my son's school I was put on some watch-list when I suggested something like that. I doubt many schools would adopt SC as a sport, because, as where riflery, trap and skeet are so well defined, with rules from International organizations, and accepted as Olympic sports, SC is more dynamic, less universally defined and not accepted as an Olympic sport. Way more fun in my book, and jeez I hate rules.

[Dean Romig]

Edgar, when we shoot as a group you may have noticed that when a group of two or three shooters comes up behind us we suggest they shoot ahead of us so they don't get stuck behind us for the whole course. We are always eager to help or suggest target shooting sequence on simo-pairs. I only wish we could get together more often. I like Addieville and have shot there quite a lot... very low pressure and the staff is the greatest.

[edgarspencer]

you may have noticed that when a group of two or three shooters comes up behind us we suggest they shoot ahead of us
Yes, the courtesy doesn't go unnoticed, and I am sure those who get to leapfrog around a bunch of people of our 'sort' is well appreciated:rotf: It isn't a mystery why sporting clays is so enjoyable; due largely to the more relaxed bunch of people who participate, as opposed to the take-no-prisoner attitude I tired of at my (former) club, where, if you weren't of the same ethnicity, you were not only un-noticed, you were were almost ignored. I do agree with Robin that a venue that took the time to teach the game would most certainly bring more into the fold.
If town ordinances weren't what they are, I'd be willing to set aside a portion of my land for just such a course. Unfortunately, I'm surrounded by a bunch of treehuggers and do-gooder environmentalists.:banghead: